|Does your boss know?||pats|
Apr 5, 2001 9:47 AM
|Does anyone here have a day job? How can you all be posting all day? Are you sneaking around at work? Or are you the boss? Or are you all pro-racers who make all their money on the road?|
|re: Does your boss know?||Ken56|
Apr 5, 2001 10:25 AM
|I am the boss, so I can post all day long if I want to. However, then who's goinmg to do the work? :-)|
|Guilty as charged||tommyb|
Apr 5, 2001 10:26 AM
|I'm reading and posting from work. My boss doesn't know, but since he spends most of his day tracking the stock market on the net, I guess I don't feel guilty.
BTW, I was one of the few who didn't miss the View All option. I use the Printer Friendly view much more often, because it looks like any other text file I might be working on during the course of the day. Makes it much easier to be inconspicuous when someone barges into the cubicle unannounced.
|re: Does your boss know?||Dog|
Apr 5, 2001 10:31 AM
|I'm the boss, in a way, being a partner in the firm. But, as I largely do hourly work, every minute I spend here not working costs me about $3. I usually "get in, get out" when posting, and try to type quickly. Hey, it just means I must get up that much earlier to get my hours in.
To me, it's worth it, as I learn a lot, in exchange for contributing now and then.
|shhhh...you trying to get us all fired ?!?!?! (nm)||jayz|
Apr 5, 2001 10:44 AM
|None of the above||Brian C|
Apr 5, 2001 10:57 AM
|Because I'm a lumberjack and that's okay, |
I sleep all night and I surf all day ....
|Guilty as heck.||E3|
Apr 5, 2001 11:02 AM
|Our company has policies against such usage, and I'm the keeper of such policies (being the HR guy).
Checking the forum occasionally when I'm stuck in the office relieves the doldrums.
I can rationalize that since others take smoke breaks, then what's wrong with a peek at the forum?
|re: Does your boss know?||DoubleK|
Apr 5, 2001 11:12 AM
|No, my boss doesn't have a clue. Not because he is clueless per se, but because he is in another state :)|
|$180 / hr. Doug wants us to know||shmoo|
Apr 5, 2001 11:26 AM
|that he makes $3 a minute. Why does he want us all to know that? Can anybody think of a reason why he would want us to know that he makes $180 an hour? BTW Doug, what is the average hourly wage of a bike shop mechanic? Do you want all the bike mechanics to know that you make $180 an hour?|
|H. L. Hunt of Dallas, Texas||Breck|
Apr 5, 2001 11:40 AM
|In the "For what it's worth category" the old gentleman when he was alive once quipped " I don't smoke cigars because it's cost me $300 of my time to un-wrap one". Mr. Hunt drove his own mid-line Studebaker Champion to work; carried a sack lunch; bought off the rack clothes. Lived in a mansion off White Rock lake. Don't know if he rode a bike. |
bgcc ... bubble gum cigar club
|$180 / hr. Doug wants us to know||Peetey|
Apr 5, 2001 11:55 AM
|Actually, Doug and other folks who have to worry about "Billability"(ahem), charge clients that amount. That does not translate into the hourly wage. $180/hr is quite reasonable for attorneys. I worked with one who charged $500/hr in 1995.|
|Doug is just wonderful!||Hardhat|
Apr 5, 2001 12:47 PM
|The point, "shmoo"||Dog|
Apr 5, 2001 12:54 PM
|First of all, I don't think this is coming from the 'real' shmoo that I met at a ride last fall. He appeared to be far too nice a person to be so caustic in tone.
The point is that I do feel somewhat guilty posting, as I am depriving myself, my wife, and my firm of money when I do so; that's how it is when you are in a service job that bills hourly. For some odd reason, though, I feel some satisfaction in trying to help others here in little ways that I can now and then. Since I largely bill by the hour, it costs me when I do -- it really does. It was really intended to be more self-depricating, pointing out the real foolishness of every moment I spend here. Now, as I am responding to your post, it more than confirms that point. Far too many people here spend far too much time and energy with personal attacks on others, such as you have done. I never do it. I shouldn't even respond when they do. But, maybe I am warped enough to think that if I say the appropriate thing, then I can set an example and dissuade others from getting out of line. Call me a fool.
That said, I don't think it's any secret that I'm a lawyer, nor what hourly rates are for lawyers in general. Besides, my rates tend to be very reasonable for the type of work we do, especially in California.
You imply that because I'm a lawyer, and I let people know that, that I think I am better than others, particularly the 'bike shop mechanic.' Nothing could be further from the truth. I envy the bike shop mechanic. I would bet that 99% of them are doing what they love to do. That, in my book, is one of the secrets of life -- do what you love and get paid for it. If you knew me, even from hanging around here for a while, you'd know that I have absolutely never put someone down. Heated arguments, maybe, but never, ever personal.
I have been humbled many times in my life, professionally, in sports, and personally. The moment you even begin to think you are better than anyone else is when you are likely to be taken down a few notches.
If I led someone to think I was attempting to appear to be superior, I apologize. Hey, if I'm not welcome, I'm outta here. No problem.
|And a good point it is.||Gadfly|
Apr 5, 2001 1:35 PM
|I work for a large agency where my time is billed. And there are many days when I would rather be a bike mechanic. Or a messenger. But not today.|
|Thanks, Doug. You're right. That wasn't me.||shmoo|
Apr 5, 2001 4:30 PM
|Frankly, I don't care why or how you post or how much you earn or how much time you devote to cycling, as long as ya keep on posting. I know you get ribbed about your "lawyerdom" alot, but for the most part, I'm sure that it's all in good fun. It always is in my case.
By the way...impressive double. Good show. It's hard enough for me to average 20mph for 20 miles, much less 200 - but then I don't ride nearly the miles you do, and my slightly older legs are trying to push about 30 more pounds of lard and bike than you are. I'll be looking for your name in the RAAM stats in a year or two.
To the imposter "shmoo"...You're a real funny guy. You must be proud.
|P.S. Are you doing that ride again this year?||shmoo|
Apr 5, 2001 4:46 PM
|I'll be doing it again. If you're there, I'll see ya at the start (probably not after that). Tried to stayed with your pace line for about 6 or 7 miles last year, and almost blew myself (and my brother in law) up early.
BTW, The Lodi, CA Sunrise Rotary has an annual century (the Sunrise Century) coming up in May that goes around Comanche reservoir and over Pardee dam. Not as tough as the Riverbank ride, but still a few sharp pulls, and a nice ride. Always hot. You might like it.
|The point, "shmoo"||Erik W|
Apr 5, 2001 4:38 PM
|I for one, have always appreciated your integrity.|
|Re-plies like old worn out tires.||Breck|
Apr 5, 2001 5:34 PM
|I hate it when some one passes judgement upon another with meager |
information. Never had a job in my life making over ~$21 an hour but me and the missus were always conservative and never gone with out. Grew up doing what I wanted to do. Wanted to learn house building so tried carpentry. Road construction, worked for the Texas Hwy. Dept.; Power plant construction,worked for Bechtel; Aircraft, General Dynamics; Space, McDonnell Douglas Astro.; Electronics, Toshiba; Manufacturing, Autonetics; Bike mechanics, small back country bike shop; Serve your country, United States Marine Corp.; & many ETC's. Where does it say that in a service job you scrutinize the other person past their ability to pay or compare what they are buying from you supporting your job Vs how much they/you are making to the dollar, etc.? Whether you're paying for a burger, a bike, a lawyer service, a lotto ticket, a peek show, the only requirement is that you need the service and can pay for it.
Believe myself to be moderately intelligent but passed on jobs paying more $$$ could have done. My college majors starting out at Texas Tech, 1961 and then a few other schools were in order Theoretical Physics, Architecture, Electrical Engineering, Computer Science; minors Math, Literature, Western History. No degrees in any but could have made pretty good money at the fringes of them. However, chose to be the average "working man" and have never regretted it. Did what I wanted to do and had the freedom to do it. Met a lot of great people and always respected those "above" and "below" my calling for those prone to think like that. I never have.
Good lawyer Joke ... How can you tell if it was a dog or a lawyer nearly got hit crossing the street?. Easy, if it was a dog you would have seen skid marks.
Good luck at Furnace Creek. Spent one month there checking out the scene. Mis-named because of the difficulties the William Lewis Manly Party had crossing it in 1849 ... "We took off our hats," wrote one of them many years later, "and then overlooking the scene of so much trial, suffering and death spoke the thought uppermost saying 'good-bye, Death Valley!'
cheers to you Doug Sloan, bgcc
Apr 5, 2001 7:27 PM
|At 7.00 bucks an hour I don't make any where near the 180.00 an hour that doug gets and as far as I'm concerned he can keep the job. With my experiance and my degree at the end of this year I could get a job making 3x what I do now working in a shop. I'll probably still be in the shop while I head off to grad school. I go to work at 1:00pm every day giving me hours to ride before work, sundays are always off to race. Often the reps know who I am when I show at the local races resulting in swag, free entry, or repairs if I bust something during the race. Employee purchases really drop the price of equipment, you think a litespeed vortex fully equiped is expensive you should see my price, it'd make you cry. And the ability to test out new equipment when it comes out. So for now I'll enjoy my job, someday reality, and a wife and kid will catch up to me and I'll have to get a real job and finish a masters degree. But until than I'm too busy having fun. TTFN|
|The point, "shmoo"||pats|
Apr 6, 2001 4:25 PM
|We love you Doug!!! Hey, what would you do if you found out I worked for you?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! (just kidding)|
|He's not really making that much||Jim A|
Apr 6, 2001 8:16 AM
|I know lots of lawyers and it works like this. You might bill at 180.00/hr, but you actually takes home much less. That number is marked up for corporate overhead, administrative expenses, and corporate fee. Associates probably grosses one-fifth to one-fourth the billing rate. If you're a partner, you get a "draw" and but get no fringes no insurance, no nothin. You have to buy your own medical insurance, and individuals (as opposed to large organizations) have to pay out the wazoo for that. If you have a family and are a sole breadwinner, the income ain't bad but it definitely ain't huge, and you pay a very large tax burden. One thing's for sure, lawyers work there a$$es off and for the most part they earn their money.|
|Work Ethics ...||Breck|
Apr 5, 2001 11:30 AM
|Do you (not YOU) make up the time charged to the customer ... |
taking long lunch breaks; coming in early/ late; going to and from the coffee machine; eating from the table of goodies/ birth day celebrations; smoking breaks; lunch time carry-over de-briefing the card game, etc.; bull-shitting; etc., etc. ???
Am "retired" & do fixed-price contract work, butt am very familiar with office work habits.
|Sure, she loves it.||Retro|
Apr 5, 2001 11:36 AM
|She comes by three or four times a day, glances at my computer and says, "Oh, good, you're squandering my time on that bicycle web site again."
And I have a Colnago I can let you have for $1000. Of course, it's painted up like an old Trek so the thieves won't recognize it...
|I'm my own boss||PaulCL|
Apr 5, 2001 11:38 AM
|..so if I don't work, I don't make the money. I do spend too much time on this board. This board probably costs me income.|
|But does it cost you $3 a minute like Doug? NM||Hardhat|
Apr 5, 2001 12:45 PM
|probably. not.||Haiku d'état|
Apr 5, 2001 12:15 PM
|since i work in networking and data security, i AM big brother. who do you think catches everybody else? DOH.
though i did get busted recently doing some freelance web design from my desk. ouch. guess i'm getting soft and weak in my old age (almost 30). DOH (again).
|re: Does your boss know?||Turtleherder|
Apr 5, 2001 12:19 PM
|I am the boss (same situation as Sloan, and nice hourly rate Doug!) so I look when I need a break from other peoples difficulties. The problem is keeping the secretaries from knowing.|
|re: Does your boss know?||Gary|
Apr 5, 2001 12:23 PM
|Hey...our policy says that as long as it doesn't include nekkid people...
but just to be safe, I'm changing my screen name now that you got me worried...
|I'm local boss||Dave Hickey|
Apr 5, 2001 12:30 PM
|I'm the local boss and my boss is 1500 miles away.|
|Working from home today||Gadfly|
Apr 5, 2001 1:25 PM
|I have the option of working from home when I need to get something done w/out the constant interruptions of the office (you know: phones, coffee, walking aimlessly around the halls until you find someone with whom to waste 15 minutes talking...). Which means that I did 20 miles "brainstorming" on the road bike this morning and another dozen at "lunch" on some local singletrack. Ah, the working life. This, BTW, is my first real job since 1990. (I freelanced from then until the beginning of this year when one of my clients made an offer I couldn't refuse.)|
Apr 5, 2001 3:16 PM
|This is a great place to be while on the telephone. I spend far too much time on the telephone.|
|re: Does your boss know?||LLSmith|
Apr 5, 2001 4:14 PM
|Some days I am the boss, but on other days my wife is the boss. As long as we are fortunate enough to keep milk and cookies on the table everyone is happy. Like others on this board I come here to take a break, ask(or sometimes answer) a question,learn something and sometimes just to be entertained. I have learned alot on this board and do appreciate all of the information. Larry Smith|
|I limit any work posts to lunchtime||DaveG|
Apr 5, 2001 4:39 PM
|The only time I post from work is when eating lunch. Like at many large companies, its likely that my internet habits are being monitored. As an example, I once got flagged with a corporate policy statement from our proxy server for accessing the Lickton's website (www.lickbike.com). I guess the pornography filter thought that might be offensive.|
|re: Does your boss know?||ScottV|
Apr 5, 2001 6:14 PM
|My boss is in another country. I work way up in Quebec while my boss is in Texas.
I don't know about my new boss but my old one who was in Atlanta was ok with us web surfing to take a break.
|Yes and no.||look271|
Apr 5, 2001 7:34 PM
|He does, but he doesn't say anything. However, I do try to keep it to lunch and breaks. I'm in charge when he's not here, so when the cat's away.......|
|I am the boss||Starliner|
Apr 5, 2001 7:47 PM
|Actually,my clients are... I am an artist|
|Your mother should know. Your mother should know.||boy nigel|
Apr 6, 2001 8:49 AM
|Just a quick Beatles quote to break up the monotony. |
We've a nickname for my boss: Useless. He's out of it, and has no personal skills whatsoever. While I try to hide the board to "keep up appearances," I don't care too much if I'm seen on it. We're pretty casual here in high-tech-magazine land.