|Photos of bikes in the pits at Milan-San Remo||BipedZed|
Apr 4, 2001 8:11 AM
|I was there.........||traveller|
Apr 4, 2001 8:42 AM
|I was at the Milan-San Remo. What a cool experience. Climbed up the Capo Berta near the end of the race and hung out with the Miklos Celestino(SAECO) fan club. Noone spoke English but it was a pretty cool experience when the peleton came by with two guys just hanging on to a break in front. After they passed, we went back down the hill and watched the finish from a bar.
I highly recommend seeing a pro race in Europe if you get the chance.
|better if you...||Jiggy|
Apr 4, 2001 8:52 AM
|follow a tour. A start, finish, TT, and mtn top finish are what I recommend. Sitting by the side of the road for hrs and catching the race caravan, riders (all 10-15 min worth), and support vehicles is not worth it. A circuit race- like the world's typically are- is nice as well because you can arrive early and sneak into the pits, watch the race from several points on course, then retreat to a bar for the finish. You can also do this at the Giro finish in Milan, but no pits (although team cars and vans are parked nearby). Finish areas are typically closed off for VIPs.|
|Time trial stage of a grand tour||J.S.|
Apr 4, 2001 9:12 AM
|I followed the "99" tour and found the TT stage in Metz the most incredible experience, practically getting run over by pro riders on the way to their start, and all the teams in the pits are easily accessable. A huge carnival of cycling atmosphere.|
|Teeny frames!||Live Steam|
Apr 4, 2001 9:55 AM
|I am not sure about the size of the riders of the bikes in your pics, but the frames appear to be undersized. It seems that the fit is corrected by making the saddle height very high. I assume this positioning also helps with aerodynamic positioning, but is this frame undersizing also done to save on weight? It looks like the sizing is also corrected with an extra long stem. I would think that this setup puts the rider way out over the head tube and doesn't use the rule of thumb for sizing that requires the hub being hidden from view by the bars.|
|The "proper fit" myth.||J.S.|
Apr 4, 2001 10:41 AM
|this shows that proper fit is what feels right to you, not what some so called expert tells you you should be riding. I'd like to see one of these so called experts tell Michele Bartoli he's riding a frame that's too small. That is the same unsoliscited crap I get all the time.|
|Re: Teeny Frames||SimpleGreen|
Apr 4, 2001 10:55 AM
|The "hub hidden by the bars" method of sizing actually gives a fairly upright position. Most pro's prefer a longer, lower position for aerodynamics. If you watch tapes of eurocycling, you'll see that their backs are nearly flat when they ride on the hoods. At the speeds and distances they ride at, aerodynamics is a big factor.
Apr 4, 2001 11:25 AM
|The current sizing trend seems to be to ride as small a frame vertically as possible while still maintaining a stretched TT position. This creates a large saddle/bar height difference which doesn't seem to bother most racers. It's interesting that ITM, Deda, and TTT stems now come mostly in a 80-82 deg angle to give some rise in threadless setups. Very few 73 deg threadless stems left.
1 1/8" Integrated headsets seem to be very popular among European aluminum frames. The Olmo, Merckx, and Pinarello frames all use Dedacciai tubing - Dedacciai must offer an integrated headtube. Surprised that this would be so readily adopted by European framebuilders.
|I must be a pro!||runstevierun|
Apr 4, 2001 11:56 AM
|My set-up on a 52cm frame is identical
to most of the photos shown.
Now if I can only figure out how to
maintain 36mph in a two man break for 50K's or so.......
|Most pros are teeney!||look271|
Apr 4, 2001 12:21 PM
|With the exception of some, like Julich, and some others.|
|Don't get fooled.||Jesse Smith|
Apr 4, 2001 12:22 PM
|Bartoli's frame is the most extreme exception to the rule. Other pro riders are equally amazed at the position he can maintain.|
|More pro bikes.||J.S.|
Apr 4, 2001 1:25 PM
|Here's more pro bikes. |
Apr 4, 2001 2:03 PM
|Does anybody know what stem that is on the Gitane? It looks a bit like a Mutant, but I don't think it is. What squad is using Kleins this year?|
Apr 4, 2001 3:04 PM
|Looks like the Cinelli Groove stem on the Gitane. I'm surprised because it is relatively heavy (230ish gm according to ExcelSports). Why wouldn't they use the lightest stuff?
The Kleins are ridden by Team Gerolsteiner, a German Div II (?) team. Love the paint job and I love the Quantum Pro. Not the lightest alu frame, though.
|Kleins not light?||J.S.|
Apr 4, 2001 3:22 PM
|I believe a Quantam Pro frame is under 3.0lbs for a 56cm.|
|Kleins not light?||TJeanloz|
Apr 4, 2001 5:30 PM
|And there is no shortage of sub 2.5lbs frames in 56 cm: Schwinn, Bianchi, Giant, and on...|| |