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Titanium frame needed...(6 posts)

Titanium frame needed...Jeremy
Apr 4, 2001 3:35 AM
I am doing a research paper for school and I have decided to research a consumer purchase of the four following Ti frames: Litespeed Vortex, Moots Vamoots, Serotta Legend Ti, and IF Crown Jewel Ti. My areas of comparison are the weight, ride characteristics, manufacturer warranty, value (for the money spent), and general likes/dislikes about the frames themselves. I am looking for the most objective opinions possible. If you have any experience on any of these bikes, please help me out. I have visited all the manufacturer web sites and requested catalogs, so I mainly need first-hand opinions. Thanks for your help! Feel free to email me ass well.

Titanium frame research...4bykn
Apr 4, 2001 6:40 AM
Did you look for reviews at , that may be a good place to start, you might even find a posted email address from an owner. I ride Titanium myself, but not the high end $$$ of those you mentioned. I would expect some really nice reviews for bikes in that class.
For the Legend Ti...PsyDoc
Apr 4, 2001 7:27 AM
go to Serotta's website [ ] and go to the message board. I am sure you will get a number of responses. You indicate that the purpose of your paper is to research a consumer purchase. Have you defined the consumer? For example, is the consumer you, a racer, recreational rider, etc. Depending on the consumer, you could arrive at very different conclusions. I suggest that when you solicit subjective opinions (can opinions really be objective?), you should ask respondents to indicate what type of rider they are and what frame/ride factors/qualities they consider important. Perhaps you could post your paper here when you are finished. Good luck.
Lots o' luckKerry Irons
Apr 4, 2001 4:34 PM
Objective opinions on Chevy vs. Ford? Ferarri vs. Lamborghini? You'll have a hard time finding anyone who has ridden all 4, equally equipped, with the same wheels/tires, so even comments on "ride" will be very hard to sort out. These bikes generate strong feelings, which is sure to prevent objectivity. And "value"? What is the value of a Rolex watch (Timex Ironman is just as accurate) or a Rolls Royce? Since you can't determine what the benefits are of one frame over another, how can you determine value? What are "nicer welds" worth? And how about that head badge? You'd have a better shot at a paper based on what motivates people to choose one over the other - there you could at least gather accurate data.
That's the truthpmf
Apr 5, 2001 8:28 AM
Ever looked at the reviews on this board? Everyone (well, 97%) gives their bike 4-5 stars. The only complaints I ever see is regarding cost. I always see these guys gushing about their Cannondales on this board and have to wonder, have they ever ridden anything else for any length of time? And rides around bike shop parking lots don't count. No one buying any of these bikes is going to not like it or wish they had the other one.

If I were you, I'd think about doing a survey without open ended questions. Instead of "why did you buy this bike?" you might ask "which of these factors did you consider?" -- or even have them rank the factors that you list from least to most important. Ask about the size they bought, how big they are, what kind of riding they do, where they live, what their income or profession is, how much they paid, where they bought it, etc. Make sure the questions are closed ended (i.e., check one). If you get a reasonable sample size, then maybe you could infer something.
gushing over my C-DalePaul N. VA
Apr 5, 2001 10:09 AM
Hey, I love my 3 C-Dales, just because you have big bucks and buy Colnagos and a Kestrel, and a LiteSpeed ,doesn't mean we don't love our C-Dales. It's as American as apple pie and Chevy's ( as opposed to pasta and Alfa's). Plus, if you wreck it, you're only out a few hundred instead of a few thousand. Try a good bike, buy a CAAD6. If it's good enough for super Mario, it's good enough for me. See ya on the trail.