|how fast are the women compared to the men||john de|
Apr 2, 2001 4:08 PM
|in the pro ranks i mean...i assume that they are slower but why, they have those big legs from birth...they are a bit fatter typically but are there any other reasons..|
Apr 2, 2001 4:34 PM
|Awesome! This is one of the funniest, most un-PC posts I've read in a long time.
To answer, they are not quite as fast as Jr men. In the 2000 A Worlds TT, the Jr men averaged 47.46kph (over 24.5km), the elite women 44.21kph (24.5km), espoirs 48.11kph (35.2km), and elite men 50.67kph (47.6km). Jr women avged 43.38kph over 16.1km. In the RR, the Jr men raced 127.4km at 42.58kph, while the elite women raced the same distance at 38.66kph. Elite men raced over twice as far (269km) at 42.7kph.
Apr 2, 2001 6:32 PM
|OK.. ahem. it is sooo obvious that you just DONT pay attention. It is a little problemo called AEROdynamics...Excuse me. But ..ok like take Pamela Sue ANderson and put her in a wind tunnel and just watch the dynamics of the current as it flows directly into ..major wind blockage. Oh sure it is great in the water..but you can't cut anything with those parachutes up in front. SO. I think what we should have is a new design on the jersey. Create one with fiberglass cones and discreet anterior flanges running streamlined up the front of the chest..Call it the Madonna Pezzo jersey.
I mean really have you ever seen a fish with mammaries???
I didnt think so.
Apr 2, 2001 6:38 PM
|but have you SEEN most of the women pro's??? Clearly not based on your post. LOL!|
|and so what we are just in a different CLASS||Bug|
Apr 2, 2001 6:41 PM
|heh knew that would get you. :P still. hmm maybe I can invent a invisible tow line to shoot out at my hubbies seat so he doesnt know...and hang on.. taht would really bug him. |
|Perhaps we should use different classes....||curtiso|
Apr 2, 2001 7:23 PM
|for breast size. We already use age and skill level. Think of it...Elite womens age 18-24 A and B cup, Sport womens age 32-40 D+ cup, Pro womens A and B cup, Pro women C and D cup....the possibilities are endless. I say we appeal to IMBA, UCI and any other sanctioning bodies and end the flat-women's unfair advantage in all levels of racing.|
|I agree...different classes!||Gary|
Apr 2, 2001 10:23 PM
|I can speak with some empathy. Though lacking in up anterior upper endowments, I do have non-power-contributing fatty attachments around the mid-section. And whereas much like a seal, the shape can be aerodynamic while traveling through a fluid medium as there are only exterior smooth surfaces (no bothersome bony or muscular protrusions), the disadvantage of the additional mass cannot be overcome to allow a fair competition with lighter weighted bony or muscular protusionists. Hence the creation of the clydesdale classes in a growing number of sporting events. So it only logically ensues that it would truly be more equitable to have equally disadvantaged competitors compete only against the same cup size. To help fund the cost of the extra burden of the new class creations, I'd recommend charging a fee (vice paying a fee) to the personnel wishing to fulfill the position of "class verification" as I would expect an overflow of applicants.|
|Big bazookas and aerodynamics||Starliner|
Apr 2, 2001 9:11 PM
|I would think the big babes have an aerodynamic advantage, sort of like a car with an air dam under the front bumper - the spoiler effect. As long as the zipper is zipped up to prevent air suck, the aerodynamic flow should be quite smooth.
In my scientific opinion, it seems more an issue of the weight penalty chestier riders enjoy over their less buxom counterparts.
|To early to tell? ...||Breck|
Apr 2, 2001 5:07 PM
|Dr. Ernst Van Aaken, father of LSD ( Long Slow Distance ), predicted that in time women would make superior endurance athletes because of the greater natural body fat to be used as "fuel" in endurance events. Back maybe in the early eighties(?) an East German woman athlete appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated that most likely missed the "man" gene count by a smidgen or two. |
Today's man is stronger than woman but some women could kikk your young asse ( or my olde one fer damn sure ) around the block a time or two with little apparent effort.
Ann Trason, current USA female ultra runner, has run 100 miles on the track in 14:29:44. Not as familiar with the gal's bike feats, but bet they would equally surprise you.
|Father of what?||Helper|
Apr 3, 2001 10:35 AM
|Long STEADY Distance.|
|Slow, not steady ...||Breck|
Apr 3, 2001 11:18 AM
|Not "steady" as at the same pace, but "slow" tempo intervals done over long distances. |
Did not believe in fast tempo intervals made popular by others and the rage today. The idea is to do intervals over long distances, stop and walk or jog to recover when you are mildly stressed; continue running again till mildly stressed; recover, repeat etc. Distance covered would be 25 miles or more per day when you gain the required fitness. As you gain strength or endurance, the pace will pick up with less rest, etc., and will not be so "slow".
Larry Myers wrote the book for the German sports physiologist Van Aaken back about 1978 and was picked up and modified, incorectly so, by the likes of Joe Henderson in Runner's World and confusion still remains. This method never has become popular with today's quick fix athlete who believes the high stress of fast intervals in short time frames is the way to go.
Same with Percy Cerutty of Australia, Herb Elliott's coach .... no takers today as to his training methods amongst runners except for his dumb-bell strength training which "Boston Billy" Rodgers used.
|what is the record||john de|
Apr 3, 2001 3:47 PM
|if you were going to go all the way across country this sounds like just the techniec to do it...jog, walk, jog, walk, these days with fast food you could go even faster..i wonder what the record is, there must be one...i wonder if its a girl|
|"A Tramp Across the Continent" ...||Breck|
Apr 3, 2001 8:09 PM
|Try these to get the feel of it. |
Books: recommended reading ...
A Tramp Across the Continent, 1892
-Charles Fletcher Lummis.
* Walk across the country before it became tamed.
Goodbye to a River
- John Graves
* A canoe trip down the Brazos River before it was dammed.
Log of a Cowboy
- Andy Adams
* Early trail drive diary and the best.
Travels with Charley: In Search of America
- John Steinbeck
* Steinbeck and his poodle in the camper do America.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
- Robert M. Pirsig
* Father and son Zen-like cross-country motorcycle trip.
Travels With a Donkey in the Cevennes
- Robert Louis Stevenson
*Stevenson Vs the Donkey; humorous.
In the Shining Mountains : A Would-Be Mountain Man in Search of the Wilderness
- David Thompson
* A journey of discovery.
The Oregon Trail
- Francis Parkman, Jr.
* 1846 trek across the early west; a classic.
Movies: Two-Lane Black Top
-the Driver; the Mechanic; the Girl; and GTO, race across the country in exchange for pink slips. A cult classic now on DVD/VHS wide screen.
Try the Library ...
|thanks but im busy||john de|
Apr 4, 2001 6:57 AM
|i was really just wondering if anyone has gone for the fastest time cross country...i appreciate the kindness...im sure to read some of them later, they do look good, i like first hand accounts...i promise to read a couple..|
|re: how fast are the women compared to the men||Campbell|
Apr 2, 2001 7:32 PM
|Your reasoning is absurd!Women have big legs from birth!A bit fatter typically!Where do you get this information.To answer your question ,I know one thing mr.logic 99% of the women on road bikes would ride circles around you.I have had to many pass me!|
|i get all my highly scientific info from my extensive research||john de|
Apr 2, 2001 8:12 PM
|yes it is true most women have bigger legs than most men...i have also notice in my studies that women have more fat than me...have you ever heard the expression "more cushion for the pushin" its not about boney men.......maybe you dont study enough..your data on 99% of women is in error, not one has passed me yet...its not good, its not bad, its just the way it is...|
|jd, you are really singular||Starliner|
Apr 2, 2001 8:43 PM
|I really like your honest innocence, and the genuine way you come across. In spite of attempts at branding you as a woman hater (a thread sometime around february) and trying to shut you up, they haven't worked because you havent let them work. Good for you.
It's actually a good question..... why shouldn't a 130 lb woman ride as fast as a 130 lb. male?
|i get off this way||john de|
Apr 3, 2001 10:39 AM
|thank you...glad to see you dont take it in a bad way...although if you did i would enjoy ridiculing you...it is my duty..|
|i get all my highly scientific info from my extensive research||Campbell|
Apr 3, 2001 4:40 PM
|You get what!Highly scientific info!You've noticed in your studies! LOL!You can't even spell!Not one has passed you yet! So you need to ride in a century and there will be plenty of women blow your butt off the road.How do you pedal with that short leg that you always talk about.Do you have a special shoe or what.You must have some boney legs.Your posts are always off the wall.Get off the dope.Dope and quit posting absurd posts you idiot!|
|you seem upset||john de|
Apr 3, 2001 7:14 PM
|are you making fun of my leg...and my spelling..and your calling me names...and saying i do drugs...are you angry...do you want me to do anything to make you feel better...|
Apr 3, 2001 5:28 AM
|Are you taking some pain pills for your knee?|
|no im scared of over the counter drugs||john de|
Apr 3, 2001 10:25 AM
|it is now starting to hurt in the upper muscle and its so nice out today...im forced to only walk around..my bike sits spotless in the corner|
Apr 3, 2001 1:17 PM
|I assumed you must be medicated to come up with your original post. By the way, they sell Bud over the counter, don't they.
|Scared Straight||john de|
Apr 3, 2001 3:35 PM
|in san francisco they do if you NEED it...|
|I LOVE YOU FRANCIS!||peanut|
Apr 3, 2001 5:04 PM
|not now peanut ..||john de|
Apr 3, 2001 7:09 PM
|im talking bikes|| |