|vredstein tires claim 90% less flats||john de|
Apr 2, 2001 8:42 AM
|with there supposed p.r.s. (puncture resistant system)...anyone had any experience..it sounds too good to be true|
|tire thoughts||Mass Biker|
Apr 2, 2001 10:34 AM
|I used Vreds for a season. Easy to mount, nice supple ride. Rated to high (140+ psi) pressure. A great high quality tire, but certainly not any more puncture resistant than any others (in my opinion). Furthermore, they wore surprisingly fast - I mean, blazingly fast - perhaps running them at 120+ psi regularly helped wear them down faster. Certainly not the most durable tire I have experienced. I then tried Vittorias (the Open Corsas) - also, nice supple "tubular-like" ride, but also prone to delamination and premature wear. Have since gone back to basics with the Michelin Axial Pros - as close to the legendary Michelin SuperComp HDs of yore (except over 2x as much). Score a good deal on the Axial Pros at labicicletta.com.|
|anybody have feedback on Hutchinson Krono Golds?? (nm)||skimmer|
Apr 2, 2001 10:42 AM
|Hutchinson clincher comments||BipedZed|
Apr 2, 2001 11:30 AM
|I usually ride Michelin Axial Pros. I got a pair of 23c Krono Golds as a Xmas gift and used them in Jan/Feb. They are narrower than the Axial Pros (no surprise - Michelins run wide), and about 20g lighter per tire. Cornering grip seemed about the same. Krono Golds do not have the durability of Axial Pros. After 1000 miles the rear kept flatting. Keep in mind this is winter riding so there was lots of sand, debris on the road shoulders.
I replaced them with a pair of the new Hutchinson Carbon Comp Golds which are a much better tire than the Krono Golds. They weigh 208g per tire and take up to 125psi. After 1000 miles the rear is in great shape. They have less tread depth than an Axial Pro so I don't expect durability to be as long, but I feel confident enough that I'm racing my first crit of the season this weekend on them. I would recommend the Carbon Comps, but not the Krono Golds. Hutchinson doesn't have a lot of distribution in the US but you can get the Carbon Comps for $37 at Bulltek Sports.
|anybody have feedback on Hutchinson Krono Golds?? (nm)||runstevierun|
Apr 3, 2001 12:42 PM
|I've run them for the last two years. I bought 6 from supergo for, I think, $15 each. I have the 20 mm flavor in which I put 140psi. I've been very happy with their performance so far but they aren't very durable. I find them prone to casing cuts etc... I'd buy them again if they were cheap enough.|
|re: vredstein tires claim 90% less flats||tr|
Apr 2, 2001 10:58 AM
|I have ridden the vredstein tires for several years and i like the feel of them. I also rode the Vittoria "King Mario's". The vittoria's had a nice feel, but wore out really fast. With the Vredstein's i felt i got good wear with a good feel. Have ridden michelin and they were fine. I just prefer the feel of the Vredstein over michelin, but i think they are both good and better than Vittoria. Am currently trying the Veloflex tires, they are light and soft, we will see about durability.|
Apr 2, 2001 1:24 PM
|I rode them last year and had as many flats as ever. They ride nice and corner well on dry pavement but rubber seemed to wear down quicker than I expected. Skidded once on a downhill hairpin that I approached real fast and that was that for the rear tire.|
|Where did you see this claim?||Kerry Irons|
Apr 2, 2001 5:12 PM
|There is no way that they can make such a claim except if they ran some tests in very controlled condidtions. None of us ride in very controlled conditions. I can go 3 months without a flat, and then get three flats in 3 weeks. Statistically, it's meaningless, and so is such a claim. However, I've not seen this claim in their ads, so where did you hear it?
PS Vreds are good tires, but there are no miracles out there.
|cycle sport||john de|
Apr 2, 2001 6:13 PM
|cycle sport mag...its a full page add..it doesnt say what the conditions are but a claim is a claim and they should have to back it up or give us the equivalent in tires...i guess it would be so hard to actually test that they thought they could get away with it...if i were michelin i would call them on it...|
|infinitely fewer flats||GregJ|
Apr 2, 2001 9:49 PM
|I recently wore a Vredestein down to the casing. No flats. I had a lot of flats on the previous tire. I guess that Vredesteins produce infinitely fewer flats.|
|re: vredstein tires claim 90% less flats||Ian|
Apr 5, 2001 6:28 AM
|Vredestein weaves their casing in a different way from Michelin and Continental. It should help, but 90% fewer flats? I don't know about that. Anyway, tires are very subjective. Take 20 riders, give each of them a pair of Vredestein Tri-Comps, Michelin Axial Pros and Conti GP3000's. Have the 20 riders ride all three and then ask them which they prefered. Good luck getting a precise answer. One rider will prefer the Vredestein because he flatted on the other two. Well, that is because he ran over glass with the other two. One rider will prefer the Conti because the other two wore to fast. That is because he skidded with the other two. The bottom line is all of these are good tires, it is hard to go wrong with any of them.|| |