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damn knee problem wont go away...any doctors or similar casejohn de
Mar 31, 2001 5:04 PM
its been about 3 months now....anyone have the same symptoms --- one knee (shorter leg by half a cm.)...it aches but the strangest part (which should be a good clue to the pain) is i have poping and a what seem like taut rubber bands at 2 oclock and 5 oclock of my knee cap that now rub over the leg bones when i bend the leg....ive seen a doc and he said resting for 2 weeks would cure it, i think he is full of shit...
contributing factors could be my ridding hard and long all of a sudden and cranking my seat way too high (it was right after this giant jump in seat hight that i noticed it)...that last ride before the pain i did feel a sharp pain for one sec in the same spot where the strange bands are moving now.....DID I SNAP SOMETHING...i was told id be in alot more pain if i had..i also have a tightnes and pain in the back inside but thats going now that i streach ...i really messed myself up and need to get healthy again to ride my new bike...
re: damn knee problem wont go away...any doctors or similar caseDINOSAUR
Mar 31, 2001 7:34 PM
This probably won't be much help. I tweaked my right knee approx two weeks ago. It was sore from running, then I tripped over something in my garage and hurt it more. It was so bad that I walked with a limp. I stopped exercising for two weeks and I got tired of sitting around on my big fat ass and I decided to lift weights, which I havn'nt done for years. I have been lifting on and off for 34 years. My lower back was also giving me trouble, which began when I made a big change in my seat postion while in the middle of a ride. I did all upper body stuff and mysteriously my back pain went away almost over night and my knee is almost 100% better. Today when I lifted I threw in some squats using light weights and my knee held up.
I'm thinking you need physical therapy, as basically that's what I did for myself. Also try a heat solve like Tiger Balm and wrap your knee. If you have access to a hot tub, sit in it for about twenty minutes a day, prior to using the heat solve.
Hopefully others will follow with suggestions. I can identify with your problem. Knee pain is bad. I hope you find a solution and get back to riding.
heard of chondromalacia?slowideclyde
Mar 31, 2001 7:50 PM
I don't know too much about it but it appears to be what I'm suffering from and what has screwed up my left knee to the point where arthroscopic surgery is looking necessary. Place your hand on your kneecap with your leg bent at about 90 degrees and slowly lift your leg until it's horizontal. If you feel popping or grinding it might be chondromalacia. I believe it refers to cartilage in the knee deteriorating to the point where you have bone rubbing on bone or the cartlige becomes jagged and the knee doesn't pivot smoothly. The popping in your knee could be an indication of this. The first time I experienced pain in my knee was during a ride and it was a very sharp pain. It literally felt like a knife was being plunged into my knee during every pedal revolution but I was on an mtb trail and several miles from my car so I just took it easy but had to continue riding or walk. After that, knee pain often accompanied my rides although it was more of a dull pain. Recently, the pain has been lingering long after rides to the point where I am now in almost constant pain and there is a hard knot about the size of a dime on the front of my knee. One md I contacted online said I could've possibly torn some cartlige during that first ride when I was in great pain. Anyway, now it's seriously screwed up and I wish I hadn't ignored it when it first appeared, but it usually disappeared right after every ride and I was still able to ride 5 times a week. Wish I could say that now! See what info you can find on chondromalacia and maybe the symptoms will sound familiar. Webmd has a thorough listing of various knee ailments. Good luck.
re: damn knee problem wont go away...any doctors or similar caseLLSmith
Apr 1, 2001 2:40 AM
My knee problem sounds similar to yours. I only rode a couple times in February because of weather, work and illness. As soon as I got back on my bike I was out of the saddle in big gears. Wrong thing to do. For the past two weeks my rides(5)have been 15-20 miles and only on the small chain ring. Yesterday I went a different route with a couple hills that made me get out of the saddle. My knee is letting me know to stay seated and avoid the big hills for awhile. I use ice the day of the ride and heat after that. There have been quite a few post regarding knee problems and staying off the big chain ring. Its a slow process, but seems to be working for me.
New bike...Kreeger
Apr 1, 2001 6:16 AM
...me too. I just got it, put it together, and rode...60 miles. The next day, I tried to get on the bike and do a ride and my left knee hurt exactly as you explained yours did. That was 2 weeks ago and it seems to be going away. MY THEORY: The sudden change to a new bike with geometry and saddle height differences not familiar to my knees. I have made a few changes (seat height, fore/aft saddle pos.) to try and alieviate the sore spots.
ill bet both of our problems are from overusejohn de
Apr 1, 2001 7:03 AM
but i still dont know what i have and when it will heal...
re: damn knee problem wont go away...any doctors or similar casebike-e z
Apr 1, 2001 8:41 AM
I had a similar experiance last year on a 5 day 500 mile ride,the second day was very hilly and I was out of the saddle hammering alot
when about mid-day I noticed the muscles around my left knee cramping and becoming tight,by the end of the ride I was in terrible pain,it felt like a knife being thrust under my knee cap on every pedal stroke,the pain went away when when I was not on the bike,but every mile after that was torture,after the ride I saw an athleteic trainer at a local sports med. clinic,they did xrays and could not find anything wrong,that was last July and I did not ride ride at all until recently, I have been spinning on my trainer and taking lots of ibuprofine,its better but,I still have pain if I work it to hard,I think the answer for people with knee problems is get a triple crank and spin,spin,spin.
Good Luck and God Bless,
EZ
go see a dr for crissakesjs
Apr 1, 2001 11:39 AM
or just ignore the pain, keep riding, and trash your knees- they can always be replaced
i just did today for the second timejohn de
Apr 1, 2001 5:14 PM
he now atleast tells me its not a 2 week problem, its more of a 6 week and then we'll see..i forget what its called now but if anyone has the same syptoms as i do---popping, and sinews going over the bones on the side of the cap when you bend, tell me
cancerApril1
Apr 1, 2001 5:39 PM
you're gonna rely on somebody else having a similar problem? just call the damned doc's office for your diagnosis... and pay attention next time!
cancerjohn de
Apr 1, 2001 7:41 PM
yea i have a diagnosis...its called blah blah and if it hurts dont do it seems to be the only advice this specialist can give me....my doc doesnt know about bicycle injuries specificly...since this is a bicycle board it seems that i would be more likely to get good advice on my specificy bicycle related problem...
it seems to mejeez
Apr 2, 2001 12:00 PM
that if you know the dx you should just spit it out already- that way you get some advice that is "specificy" to your problem rather that lead people on this guessing game
Was it this mouthful?Humma Hah
Apr 2, 2001 11:10 AM
I've given a website below to describe this IT-band syndrome folks are saying you and I have. It fits me to a T. They give some stretching exercises to correct it, but so far giving the knee a weekend off and doing the stretches have not corrected it. My knee is consistently starting to act up about 40-60 miles into a ride. I'm about to swap out the set of cranks that went on just before the problem started.

The problem is supposed to be the (memory check) illotibial band, a band that runs from the hip, down the outside of the thigh, to the upper end of the lower leg. Basically keeps your leg from falling off. Starts twanging like a guitar string over a bump on your knee after a while. Never used to bother me before, in 42 years of riding. Nice to know someone younger has the same problem.

http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/itband.v2.html
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re: damn knee problem wont go away...any doctors or similar caseCampbell
Apr 1, 2001 7:32 PM
You might have bone spurs!Or the tendons are inflamed.Do straight leg lifts or you might get atrophie.Keep your muscles toned.If your wondering if I,m a doctor.No,but I did stay in a holiday inn express last night!!!! Campbell
Illiotibial Band SyndromeSteve Davis
Apr 2, 2001 6:58 AM
It sounds like ITB syndrome to me. I had pain on the outside of my knee. Had similar popping sensations and the sinews were very tight.

Here is what I did. First, I lowered my seat 2 cm and stayed away from my usual hill climbs. Second, I adjusted my cleats so the my feet are as wide apart as possible (larger Q factor). Finally, I took ibuprofin a couple of times a day and stretched, stretched, streched. (There were a few good links here a few weeks back. One was www.learntostretch.com).

After 3 weeks, I have no more pain. Good luck to you.

Steve
Recovery time?Humma Hah
Apr 2, 2001 10:34 AM
... my symptoms started a few weeks ago at Solvang, kicking in around mile 60. They recurred the following weekend at the end of a 55 mile ride. I looked up some stretches on the internet and have been trying them, but yesterday the knee started acting up at mile 40-something (I'd ridden 21 the day before). This in spite of giving it the previous weekend off.

All this started when I switched from my 170 mm cranks to my 175's. Today, I'm swapping back. I'm debating trying a century this weekend.

Did you lay off a couple of weeks to let it heal? My knee feels good today but I'd hate to just aggravate an injury.
3 weeks to fully recoverSteve Davis
Apr 2, 2001 12:49 PM
Hummah,

It took me about three weeks to fully recover. I did not take any real time off. I live in New England and consequently have been limited to riding outdoors, but I usually do the trainer for about 45 minutes every other day. I did skip a few days of riding when it was at its worst. Other than that, I just rode easier. No hills in the big ring, no sprints, no hard efforts, no cyclerobics videos.

In terms of bike corrections, I was pretty confused. The problem started when I got new pedals, new shoes, and custom orthotics. Needless to say, I wasn't sure where to start making adjustments because I had changed so much so quickly. The first thing I did was lower the seat beacause my new pedals (Campy) have a lower stack height than my SPDs. I also read a book by Edmund Burke (Cycling Medicine?) suggesting the ITB Syndrome could be improved by adjusting the cleats so that the shoes are a little "toed-out". And of course, I stretched every day.

Last week, my wife and I were in Hawaii on vacation and I rented a bike on the island of Kuaii (I brought my shoes and pedals). There are some VERY BIG HILLS over there. I did one three hour ride in the mountains and had absolutely no knee pain so I think I'm cured.

Good luck,

Steve
I'm dreaming of Hawaii again ...HH
Apr 2, 2001 3:25 PM
My wife and I did the Big Island for a week, Oahu for 2 days, in December. Mauna Kea doesn't look like much -- you could see the observatory from our timeshare and you'd swear the mountain is no more than a few thousand ft high. It is actually over 13,000. We hiked down into, around in, and out of the Waipio Gorge (900+ ft down and back, at about a 25% grade), and was nearly a cripple for 2 days afterwards -- I felt great hiking but my calves were not used to steep downhills. Sneaky hills.

I tried to get her on a tandem there. The one day we had available for a ride, the one tandem in Kona was spoken for.

Kauaii is probably our next Hawaii vacation. I could use one right now -- to keep me off the bike for a couple of weeks so I can heal.