Mar 13, 2001 1:45 AM
|Anyone out there have any experience with Ti frames by TST? They make Dean, Fuji, Marin, Yeti & Douglas (Colorado Cyclist) Ti frames. I'm thinking of retiring my steel ride and everyone raves about the Ti ride. But the $!!!|
|re: Ti Frames||G|
Mar 13, 2001 4:22 AM
|I currently ride a mountain bike frame made by TST. It was made for Dean before they started producing frames inhouse. Welds are very nice(although not as nice as Seven, Merlin, et al, but were comparable to my Litespeed). The frame itself is very true, and plenty stiff for my 195lbs. It has a lifetime warrenty(if that means anything to you). I have been very pleased with it and plan on keeping it for a long time. |
|re: Ti Frames||weed|
Mar 13, 2001 5:08 AM
|Buy directly from TST. I saw they had some over-stock sizes selling for $699. There are no stickers on the frame, but why pay $400 for stickers. Check out their web-site.
I have a GT Xizang welded by these guys. It is a flawless frame.
Mar 13, 2001 5:21 AM
|I researched budget ti frames for a friend last fall. There are several makers (e.g. Habenero, Zeppelin). Out of the 4-5 I looked at TST struck me as the best choice. There is no commercially pure ti in their frames, all of the tubing are sourced in the U.S. and the bikes are constructed in the U.S. (not China). |
They sell a plain jane frame for $700. The Colorado Cyclist version is the same thing with some stickers and paint. True, the frame/fork is $1100 which is $400 more than TST (although the fork CC is giving you is worth at least $200). But if you bought this frame yourself (in its ugly, unpainted ... I guess that's subjective) and tried to build it up with the parts that the Colorado Cyclist version is offering on their pre-built Ultegra and DA models, I doubt you could do it so cheap.
So, in my opinion, I think the Douglas bike from CC is a pretty good deal provided you like what they spec on it (there are no substitutions). I've ordered a couple of bike mailorder in my life and always had things turn out well. Don't be afraid to do it.
Mar 13, 2001 9:04 AM
|is Douglas a house brand for CC? Also, the geometry looked a little different from the TST in the 56 (73 vs. 73.5 sta). I would imagine buying though CC would help insure the frame was straight, too.|
|I have no idea||pmf|
Mar 13, 2001 9:42 AM
|I assumed CC bought a bunch of these frames that TST has laying around, then painted and stickered them. Perhaps CC had them built to their specs, but I'm sure the frame TST builds is plenty good and there isn't much CC can do to improve them. |
They also have the same 5 year warranty offered by TST. For $1950, the Ultegra version is a good bike. Nothing junky on it.
|re: Ti Frames||ColnagoFE|
Mar 13, 2001 11:31 AM
|what steel bike are ou riding now? If you think you're gonna get a superior ride just by going TI then I think you may be dissapointed. i'd put my steel bike up against any TI bike in terms of ride quality--regardless of price.|
|re: Ti Frames||Bruce|
Mar 13, 2001 1:23 PM
|Currently I'm on a 10 yr old Serotta Colorado 2 with 15000+ mi. Still a nice ride but I notice a little flex in the BB creaping in. The inquiry into TST was a prelim because I prefer a longer top tube length than the usual stock length. I only just received a note that TST doesn't do custom geometry. Too many $ for Ti custom and Serotta still does an exceptional steel with the tt length I prefer. Thanks for the comments!|
Mar 14, 2001 5:14 PM
|A steel frame won't develop bottom bracket flex just because it's old, unless a lugged joint has actually failed.
The modulus of elasticity (E) of steel dictates the amount of flex, and won't change with time. The E value is about the same for all steels, regardless of the tensile strength of the alloy. Ti has a much lower E value, and oversize tubes must be used to get the rigidity of steel. Unfortunately, the use of oversize, ovalized and bladed tubes can also spoil the ride. The Litespeed Ultimate that I owned rode as harshly as most aluminum frames.
Mar 15, 2001 9:19 AM
|Thanks for the good information, saves me a test ride.|| |