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Which Titanium Bike(12 posts)

Which Titanium BikeSteven
Mar 5, 2001 9:08 PM
I am looking at the following Ti bikes:
Dean
Airborne
Douglas
Sampson

Any ideas that will help me make up my mind as to which way to go?
re: Which Titanium BikeSteven
Mar 5, 2001 9:36 PM
Well I should have said some more in my first post.
I have been checking out these bikes for some time now and have called a couple of them. I must say that they all seem to be reputable companies. I am sure that their Ti frames are all built fairly well and can there really be that much difference between them.

Any company will put any component group on that I want on the bike.
I can get any fork that I want...any saddle.
So what does my decision come down to??
I guess it is LOOKS.

Airborne comes in Airborne silver/gray
Dean looks to be a grey metalic look
Douglas comes in silver/gray or a black and red paint.
Sampson does offer a few colors to choose from.

So I guess this is what it comes down to.
Any other thoughts?
fitHank
Mar 5, 2001 9:45 PM
they all have different geometries. What are you riding now? What are you looking for in terms of fit? Go with fit. They're all nice bikes. All things being equal, I'd probably go for the Dean (and personally I'd rather have steel in that price range--Steelman, IF, etc.).
fitSteven
Mar 5, 2001 9:51 PM
Yes I agree fit is important. But these are all done over the phone so it will be difficult to actually sit on the bike.

Right now I ride a MTB. This is going to be my first really nice Road bike.

I have been debating with myself the Steel vs Ti question.

Does it really make that much difference? If they are all at around the same price anyway, is there a great difference in the ride of a steel bike vs Ti. I had given some thought to the Sintesi also but am now leaning towards Ti.
fitHank
Mar 5, 2001 10:09 PM
If this is your first real road bike I would recommend taking some time to really research this whole fit thing a bit more. It can make a big difference. Test ride some bikes at the LBS, take lots of measurements. Consider getting a pro fitting. Read everything you can on the topic (yeah, it's kind of boring, but...). Steelman and IF make their bikes in 1cm increments, so it's easier to get a really good fit, and their workmanship is impeccable. Lots of custom steel in that price range, too, which makes this a non-issue.
fitSteven
Mar 5, 2001 10:16 PM
Well I have walked into local bike shops and got the "just stand over the bike" fitting. Yes I am sure there are other shops that would take time, but I feel I can also get a fairly decent fit by my measurments. I am not a pro-racer and won't be doing any centuries in the near or distant future.

I am taking a lot of time in research and have been following the discussions on this board for a long time, but there are a lot of diffent bikes out there and I guess that is because everyone likes something differnt. If there were one perfect bike then no one else would be in business. But we do have a variety and what one person likes another may not. But there are those of us out here that are trying to come to some decision on what to buy. There is so much available that it is difficult, so what ever help we can get is greatly appreciated.
Broken RecordLazy
Mar 6, 2001 5:00 AM
This fit issue is probably the most oft discussed topic on this board, and whenever someone asks about what bike to get the answer is invariably "get the one that fits the best".

This is the very best advice there is. It is definitely worth the time/money to do the research and get a correct fit, or even to drop the bones for a professional fitting session. The reason for this, also repeated often, is that you are in a much more static position on a road bike as opposed to a mtb. So even the slightest mis-alignment in your position, which you may not even notice after several rides of 1-2 hours, will creep in up on you and hurt like crazy as you start to ride further/longer.

Also, I can't remember what your price range was, but check out Moots and Vail Cycle works. I haven't ridden either, but I've done some research on Ti frames and these two are definitely nice looking machines. Good luck, and keep it fun!
No Answergrz mnky
Mar 6, 2001 7:32 AM
Since you say that riding any of the bikes is out of the question then it stands to reason that you've removed the one critical aspect of buying a frame. You're the only person that can determine what fits and how it feels. You might as well pick one at random or get the one that matches the color of your eyes. This is no way to buy a road bike, especially your first one. It's naive to think that a collective faceless mass in cyber space can answer your questions any better.

My guess is that if you continue along this path and pick a bike you'll have a better idea of what you do and do not like for your next purchase.
No AnswerHank
Mar 6, 2001 8:59 AM
yeah, in his case it might be best to just get something like the Team Fuji or the Ironhorse bike - Ultegra equiped bikes that don't cost much more than a whole Ultegra build kit. Buy it, ride it for a year, figure out what you want and need in a road bike (and hey, maybe youll get lucky and it'll be a perfect bike for you). Then when you know what you want, swap all the parts over to a new frame and sell the Fuji or Ironhorse frame on eBay.
Mysterygrz mnky
Mar 6, 2001 10:52 AM
Yeah, that's about the best you can expect. Still, it's a total mystery to me why anyone would spend several grand on a bike, but not get fitted or test ride it first. The only thing that makes sense is if you're collecting trophies.

Sounds like a recipe for failure and disappointment.
well, if it were me...Hank
Mar 6, 2001 4:15 PM
maybe this will help. I prefer 56 - 57 c-c bikes with tts around 56 cm (my Merckx has a 57 tt but it aso has a very slack seat tube angle). I don't like bikes with seat tube angles steeper than 73 - makes it hard for me to get the right seat position. So right there I eliminate the Douglas and the Sampson (Sampson is quite steep at 74--I'd have to buy a special seatpost to get that to work). Then I wouldn't buy an Airborne cause it's made in China or wherever and I personally think it's ugly and anyway the top tube is too long for me. So that leaves me with the Dean. So for me it's an easy choice, but it's mostly based on fit (with a little pro U.S. bias thrown in). And like I said before I'd still rather have a Steelman.
Go with your instinctDean
Mar 6, 2001 9:41 AM
I just purchased a new bike after 2 1/2 years of doing what you are doing now. I went from every material (except aluminum) and MANY manufacturers. Everyone talks about fit, and I agree that is is VERY important. But if your standover height says you should be on a 56, then you should be on a 56. The rest of the fit is based on saddle height, fore and aft position and stem length and rise. All of these items are worked out after trying different positions. I purchased my bike through GVH Bikes, I HIGHLY recommend checking them out. You will not beat their prices. I ended up going with the manufacturer that I felt the best about (which was Landshark). Gary at GVH helped me determine what size frame I needed. He is also willing to work you with stems and posts if necessary. Good luck.