|Bianchi vs Fuji geometry Q||wolfereeno|
Oct 23, 2003 3:25 PM
|I just read jtferraro's msg saying that the Fuji has more of a road geometry than the Bianchi Pista. That it has steeper front and seat tubes. I never thought about geometry of my road bike. I just ride it. But I'm thinking about getting a fixed gear and am leaning towards the pista just cause I've always had some Bianchi lust.
Subjectively, what would be the difference in feel between the bianchi and the fuji? Can't these differences be neutralized simply by moving the seat forward on its rails or changing stem length?
So what might be less preferable about the track geometry of the pista?
Great discussion group, btw! I've been learning a lot.
|I've owned a Pista||desmo|
Oct 23, 2003 5:04 PM
|and have ridden the Fuji. The Pista is more true track geometry, higher bottom bracket, steeper head angle, shorter forks. although it still rides nice on the road and never felt "twitchy" to me. The Fuji is more like a standard road bike frame but with track ends. Both are very nice bikes, the Fuji maybe offering a little more comfort and the Bianchi maybe having a little better acceleration and sharper handling. there's some sizing issues with the track type frames so I would ride both and see which fits you better. although now that the Pista comes in chrome you might as well just get one of those and learn to love it.|
|Subjective feel re: Bianchi vs Fuji||cmgauch|
Oct 24, 2003 7:27 AM
|Yes, feel is very subjective indeed. IMO:
All of the angles & measurements boil down to a bike (in the Bianchi) that is biased towards handling prowess & pedaling efficiency vs. comfort & stability. The differences are not overwhelmingly huge, but depending on your preferences & how you will use the bike it pays to look into it.
I find the Bianchi a quicker-steering bike & ultimately more of a corner-carver. The lower BB helps get the center of gravity down & the steeper head tube and less fork rake give a nice direct feel. High speed, bumpy corners (bad pavement in general) find it slightly twitchier vs. the Fuji, but that's one of the trade-offs. More toe-overlap is another.
Pedaling efficiency is addressed with a 2.5-degree steeper ST angle that puts the rider over the crank more. This decreases long-ride comfort for some, but can be mitigated somewhat by sliding the saddle rearward. Slightly shorter chain stays on the Bianchi minimize power transfer losses.
I enjoy bikes like the Bianchi - they keep you on your toes. Hit some imperfect pavement while hammering and the rear end might "step out". It makes the guys behind you nervous but eventually you know just what to expect & you keep hammering. My old road bike (an early fillet-brazed cro-mo GT Edge) had similar ride characteristics but eventually cracked at the base of the seat tube.
I own the Fuji (love it) because I lucked into an outrageous deal, not because I liked it better. MSRP to MSRP, I would have bought the Bianchi. My fixed gear rides are only in the 30-50 mile range, so the comfort/stability tradeoffs would be worth it.
|Sound like a good analysis...||jtferraro|
Oct 24, 2003 10:23 AM
|If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for your '03 Fuji Track? I could've bought the '03 for $450 but decided $50 more for the '04 was worthwile, IMHO.
|Sound like a good analysis...||cmgauch|
Oct 24, 2003 1:16 PM
|Thanks, I'm full of good advice (full of something anyway). Just ask my wife (hah).
$300, never ridden, brand new second hand. I'd be willing to fork over another $50 for the '04 too ;)
|What a deal!! (nm)||jtferraro|
Oct 24, 2003 3:42 PM
|Pista feels like any other bike, to me||DougSloan|
Oct 24, 2003 7:44 AM
|I've ridden a Pista a lot over the last couple of years, and I can't tell much difference between it and standard road bikes. It is the opposite of twitchy, actually, as for some odd reason I can ride no-hands with it easier than road racing bikes. It doesn't beat me up, as many predicted, more than standard design. But, I've not done any double centuries on it, at least yet.
The new chrome Pista looks pretty cool.
The biggest difference between the two, in my view, is the rear brake mount on the Fuji. The Bianchi has only a plain tube bridging the seat stays, not designed for a rear brake. I suppose you could mount one, but it wouldn't be reinforced like most are with the block thing in the middle. If run only fixed, no big deal, but with a single speed freewheel, you might want a rear brake.
|true, and no water bottle mounts. (nm)||jtferraro|
Oct 24, 2003 10:27 AM
|oh,yes; added some Rivnuts nm||DougSloan|
Oct 24, 2003 11:23 AM
|I added water bottle mounts and a rear brake to my Pista...||SS_MB-7|
Oct 29, 2003 10:56 AM
|This summer, I added 2 sets of water bottle mounts and a rear brake to my '03 Pista...no probs. I love my Pista!