|Anybody hear about the new Specialzed track bikes?||jtferraro|
Sep 15, 2003 6:07 AM
|I called my LBS Thursday night, after looking and riding a Bianchi Pista at another shop, to double check if they had any "out of the box" fixed gear/track bikes for sale. I knew they sold Surly frames but figure it would cost a lot to build up a Steamroller or Cross-Check. To my surprise, they told me the just found out that Specialized will be offering 2 track bikes - 1 for about a grand, the other for only $450 or so. I was excited to hear this news and hope to pop in the shop soon for pics and more detail. They said they ordered a few already - the $450 ones - can't wait for them to arrive. From the sounds of it, it sounds as if they might be compact frame geometry b/c the shop owner said he thinks they come in S, M, L. Hmm.... Anybody else hear anything about these new bikes? I checked specialized.com but didn't see anything.
|yep - the "Langster"||SmogRider|
Sep 15, 2003 12:01 PM
|Same story as yours, pretty much. And saw them in the Specialized catalog. The shop told me that they haven't put them online yet. One of the wrench's just ordered one and he's stoked.
One bike has a flip-flop hub and F & R brakes. The other is track-style.
|Cool, thanks for the info...||jtferraro|
Sep 15, 2003 12:30 PM
|Damn - I'm interested in the inexpensive one but was hoping for that flip-flop hub so I can switch from fixed to singlespeed or fixed x amount of teeth to fixed x+1 or 2 teeth. I'll have to see if I can buy the less expensive one but w/that more versatile hub. We'll see.
|I would bet the cheap one has the flip/flop...||timfire|
Sep 15, 2003 5:20 PM
|It sounds to me that one is street-ready and one is track-ready. The "street" one probably has brakes and the flip/flop. But don't quote me, I'm really only guessing.
|From the Catalog...||ss-nyc|
Sep 16, 2003 12:18 PM
|My LBS showed me the new Specialized catalog when I went in looking to purchase an '04 Fuji.
The "Langster" and "Langster Pro" seem like nice bikes for the money.
As far as I can remember...
1-1/8" Integrated Headset
Flip/Flop hubs setup with Freewheel
(You will need to add a track cog)
Tektro Dual Pivot brakes and levers
1-1/8" Integrated Headset
No brakes (not sure if it is drilled for them either)
My shop stated $440 and $995 for each.
|Cool - thanks for the info. I gotta make it into my shop soon...||jtferraro|
Sep 16, 2003 12:51 PM
|I wish the bikes were steel, tho! :( I was looking forward to a "steel is real" kinda "magic carpet" ride. I guess I'd have to add that track cog, too. That shouldn't be a very big deal or cost much, right?
|Cool - thanks for the info. I gotta make it into my shop soon...||ss-nyc|
Sep 16, 2003 5:23 PM
|Cog and Lockring can range from $20 to $40 depending on quality. I was bummed too about the aluminium. I have vowed to never own another aluminium bike ever again.
Steel for now and Ti when I can afford it!
|Speaking of aluminum...||jtferraro|
Sep 16, 2003 6:12 PM
|I'd imagine it would especially be quite a rigid ride due to the compact frame geometry. Hmm...steel, traditional geometry, Bianchi Pista for $550 but need to add front brake or the aluminum, compact geometry, Specialized for $100 less, but then add the cog & lockring? Hmm... I all the more need to see these new Specialized track bikes.
I'd imagine I might add fenders to either bike, too. I don't believe either come w/eyelets but I hope they both have the clearance. I also wonder how much wider of a tire they can accept w/and w/o fenders.
|No aluminium for me!||ss-nyc|
Sep 17, 2003 4:06 AM
|It is just too harsh. The Specialized bikes looked really nice but compact geometry and aluminium DO NOT make for a nice ride IMHO. I do not want to break my teeth after only 30 miles of riding!
I am probably just going to wait until after Interbike in October and see what else gets announced. The Fuji is my first choice with the Surly Steamroller a close second. The '04 Fuji will be fire engine red so I am going to wait and see if Surly changes the grey to something more interesting.
|I don't know why Specialized didn't make them steel...||jtferraro|
Sep 17, 2003 6:26 AM
|especially considering they offer the Allez in steel...w/the compact geometry. I guess it is just cheaper for them to go the aluminum route now? The Fuji is nice but it cost $50 more than the Bianchi Pista. What do you not like about the Pista? I love the Steamroller but expect it would cost a lot since you can't by the complete bike.
|The Fuji and steamroller||ss-nyc|
Sep 17, 2003 7:25 AM
|As for specialized and everyone else....aluminium is cheaper and better for mass produced bikes. People no longer complain since it will not rust like steel and if you only ride your hybrid bike a few times a year people are not going to notice the difference between steel and aluminium. This comment obviously does not include riders that "choose" aluminium because it is lighter and/or stiffer for racing.
I like the Fuji over the Bianchi pista becasue it has more "road-like" geometry and is already drilled for front and rear brakes. Otherwise I think the bikes are probably identical when you consider that the frames are probably made in the same overseas factory and parts specs will be at the same quality level. Add brake(s) and a freewheel if you wish and you are ready to go.
I would choose the steamroller instead becasue you can fit fenders and much bigger tires so it would be a dual-purpose bike. I could use skinny tires for long rides and fatter tires with fenders for around town errands and winter rides. That is what is nice about the Surly...it is as they say, an "all-around" frame. It would cost more to build but it would serve more than one purpose. If I built one I probably would NOT go all out on parts. I would probably just get bars, stem, and seatpost from Nashbar, use older cranks, and spend the money on nicer wheels.
As you can see, I am confused. With more and more options the decision becomes more difficult especially when you consider that the cost can be $500 or more and I will not use it as much as my geared road bike.
In the end, I may just say the heck with it and not spend the money for a new "fixie". I would get an older bike with horizintal drops, replace or redish the older rear wheel, and just ride it. I could put the money towards a new Ti frame for a new uypgraded road bike which would probably get more miles anyway.
I do not know what to do but this is all making be a bit mental...hope you have an easier time with your decision!
|I hear ya'...||jtferraro|
Sep 17, 2003 10:33 AM
|I'm rather indecisive too! I have a few parts lying around - saddle, canti-lever brakes and brake levers (off my mtb), 175mm Sugino crank (but I doubt I'd be able to use that w/a fixed gear, right? Besides being a bit long for a track/fixed bike, it probably isn't compatible? Once I upgrade my road bike's stock bar & stem, I'll have them available, too. Additionally, I may also have a spare post. So, if I were to go the Steamroller route I'd have some parts but would still need wheels/tires, probably crank, chainring, cog, headset, BB, and all the smaller stuff...which would bring that price up and up.
Sep 17, 2003 11:42 AM
MTB cranks with the recommended bottom bracket "usually" put the outer chainring at a 52mm chainline which is perfect for a 135mm rear spaced frame with 135mm spaced hubs.
135mm hubs - Van Dessel, Kogswell, Surly, Phil, ...
135mm frames - Van Dessel, Kogswell, Surly Karate Monkey, Surly Cross-check, ...
Road cranks "usually" put the inner chainring at 41mm which is almost perfect to match most track hubs which are at a 42mm chainline on a 120mm spaced frame.
120mm hubs - Surly, Phil, Suzue, Sovos, Dura Ace, ...
120mm frames - Surly steamroller, Gunnar Street Dog, Waterford, Spicer, ...
|complete Steamrollers at webcyclery.com||SmogRider|
Sep 17, 2003 11:47 AM
Oct 2, 2003 2:07 PM
|don't you own a aluminum vdc contry road bob, or did you sell it as you were thinking of...