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Last Chance for (Virginia) Cross!(7 posts)

Last Chance for (Virginia) Cross!triangleforge
Dec 17, 2003 7:15 AM
All systems are go for a big weekend of Cyclocross at Lake Fairfax in Reston, Virginia, with the MABRA CX Championships on Saturday and the conclusion of the Virginia Series on Sunday -- same venue, different courses, and a forecast for partly cloudy, blustery weather. Perfect for a double-header weekend going into the holidays!

In the Washington, DC area for the holidays this weekend? Don't forget to bring your cyclocross bike and come on out!

Pre-registration for both races is still open until Friday, December 19. Click through to:

MABRA pre-reg:
Online Registration Closes Friday, December 19, 2003 at 12:00:00 AM ET

MABRA race info:

VACX final pre-reg:
Online Registration Closes Friday, December 19, 2003 at 11:00:00 PM ET

VACX series info:

See you there!

Squadra Coppi Racing
CORRECTION: 2nd to Last Chance for VA 'cross!ElvisMerckx
Dec 17, 2003 12:40 PM
From the promoter:

Froze Toze Cyclocross

January 4, 2004 - Poor Farm Park
January 18, 2004 - Pole Green Park
February 1, 2004 - Poor Farm Park

The Poor Farm cyclocross course promises to be fast and spectator friendly. The Pole Green course is being finalized and should prove challenging as well.

Online registration for the cyclocross races is available at

The race flyer is available at
thinking of extending my season w/ froze toesbuffalosorrow
Dec 17, 2003 3:35 PM
Congrats! With season extension.
I'm thinking of making the haul to NJ to VA.
Please do comejhr
Dec 18, 2003 5:50 AM
My club is putting on these races and they should be a great event.

We already have a commitment from Fuji, to come out with Neutral support. They may also have some test bikes for people to try out. Maxxis (sp)will also have a tent at the races. Should be a grand time for all who come out.

Please consider preregistering at The more people who preregister the more resources will be committed to the events. As you can imagine this is not an event where anyone is trying to make a profit (only a fool would try and make money on a cross race), we're just trying not to lose our shirts.

Hope to see you, and a lot of other people there.

Questions and a couple concernscxrcr
Dec 18, 2003 10:17 AM
I would like to see more information concerning this race.

1) As far as I know, Poor Farm is a popular mtb race venue with a number of sports fields. Is this going to be a mountain cross event with singletrack and 16" logs strewn about or an actual wide UCI style course with many transitions (or flow)?

2) What is the deal with the entry fees? Almost every non-UCI race in the mid-Atlantic charges less that $25 for the A race and less that $20 for the rest of the fields. For a grassroots race trying to attract more people, lowering those fees might go a long way toward getting new participants.

3) What are the exact categories? The mid-Atlantic and New England races have been following a pretty standardized format with set start times that are adjusted as needed i.e. inclusion of women's B field or Master's B, etc. As far as I can tell from this race, there are three races but it is not clear if there are separate categories within each.

4) Wouldn't it be better to have the running race mid-point during the day (Monkey Hill in DE used this format). It would be somewhat of a hassle but I know of two riders considering the A race and the run but are not willing to spend 8 hours in a park with 5+ hours of downtime between races.

Just a few thoughts. Trust me, I know how hard it is to put a race on and hope your club success in its endeavor. I would love to see your race survive into the coming years, but taking a cue from those that have survived (PVC and the VA Series as an example) would increase that likelihood.

Dec 18, 2003 12:02 PM
I will do the best I can to answer your questions in the order you asked them.

1. The course was designed by a couple of us in the club who have experience riding cross at a number of venues. It has a long opening road section followed by lots of grass, gravel and even a section of sand. It has one natural dismount and we will add a couple of barriers. It has one very short section of single track (only used because it was absolutely necessary to connect two other sections) that should not effect the outcome of any race. It is relatively flat. I'll bet it is the least mountainbike like course you do all year (but I don't believe you will call it a dirt crit). Pole green uses portions of a cross country course (very wide). The course is mostly grass dirt road and gravel(you can ride 4-5 abreast anywhere). We wanted to put in a road section but just couldn't make it work. Its also quite flat (fat guys take note). Some of the gravel sections are quite fast.

2. I checked and our entrance fees are the same (actually less for C's) than the Va. Series finals (and presumably all the Va. Series races). While I realize you may not think our race is as prestigious (I wouldn't claim that it is), we have to pay the same insurance fees and park fees (yes we have to pay to use the park) as everyone else. If 200 people show up for the race, I am sure there will be an increase both in the # of places paid and the amounts paid. We don't intend to make money, but I'll be damned if we are going to pay money so you can race. I'll bet the guys that put on the Tacchino cross will tell you they didn't make money even though they had a great turnout and put on a great race.

3. The catagories are as listed on the flyer. Prizes will be awarded within each catagory. If entries are strong there will be a staggered start (within a time group), if entries are light we will simple start everyone at the same time. You may be racing on the course with someone not in your catagory. This I think is a lot more fun (and fun is the point) than riding around with only a couple others in you class.

4.The running race is in the a.m. for a reason. The idea is to get runners out and interested in cycling. One of the promoters is an ex-world class runner who has recently begun riding a lot. He wanted to try and share his discovery with other runners. I think this is very good for our sport. No offense to any one reading this who may be a runner, but we don't really care if a cyclist discovers running as result of these races. We're am not opposed to it but its not a goal. It is specifically hoped that some runners may decide to give cyclocross a try, not the other way around. Plus you know very well that if we put the running race mid-day somebody else would complain that they didn't have enough time to recover between the run and their race.

I hope will understand that while I hope to draw people from all over, the fact is most of the participants will be local, so they should be our primary focus.

One thing I know for sure, is the races will be fun events whether 10 people or 1000 show up race day. If $5.00 in entry fee and a lack of "standardized catagories" are deal breakers for you or anyone, I suggest you/they stay home and watch football.

Dec 18, 2003 2:09 PM
Hmm, ok but,

"If $5.00 in entry fee and a lack of "standardized catagories" are deal breakers for you or anyone, I suggest you/they stay home and watch football."

So much for trying to grow the sport of cyclocross in Virginia. Trust me, the die-hards will show up with change in hand to race for a six-pack...that is not the point. My comments regarding the race hinge on the fact that from all appearances this appears to be a low key grassroots type event by a first time promoter. Am I wrong? If that is the case, then these are valid questions that any promoter needs to weigh before putting on an event and any racer asks himself before packing up the car and driving hours to do a race. What happened to the Richmond races in Bryant Park last year? Where are the Maryland races by All-American?

The bottom line is that I DO hope that your races do well and don't fade away like other races that could have succeeded in the area. (And by the way, $5 is not a deal breaker for me :p)