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New Ride...Ti or Carbon(11 posts)

New Ride...Ti or CarbonRedfishblufish
Dec 17, 2003 6:53 AM
Which do you prefer Ti or Carbon?

I thinking either the new Moots or the Bonfire???

re: New Ride...Ti or Carbonflyweight
Dec 17, 2003 7:38 AM
Fit is more important than frame material. Worry about that first and the material second.
So, go custom...PT
Dec 17, 2003 7:51 AM
...and get a Ti Black Sheep for about $700 less than a Moots. If you're really going to use the bike for non-pavement riding and want to keep it for a long time, it would seem that Ti is your better choice, and certainly with the costum options from a number of smaller builders coming in at (IMHO) a reasonable price, the choice seems pretty obvious... The carbon cross frame I know something about, the Alan, isn't really all that light and I am of the opinion that the build is more important than material when it comes to ride quality. For me, material choice is about weight and frame life span. I'm a monogamist at heart, so I go for the long-lasting/low-maintenance models...
Good point!Redfishblufish
Dec 17, 2003 7:55 AM
Having the genetics of an Ape (long torso, shorter legs) fit is always an consider working with IF on a custom.

Good point!SortedCycles
Dec 18, 2003 1:17 AM
If you're going to go with custom Ti have you considered DeSalvo - $2020 including a Wound Up carbon fork.
Good point!dlbcx
Dec 18, 2003 7:36 AM
Might want to look at a Seven. Their straight gauge version (Mudhoney, Muse, etc.) looks to be made for all around riding. Plus, custom sizing is at no extra cost. Just make sure you get someone who knows how to do a good fit and knows cross bikes.
Good custom cross buildersflyweight
Dec 18, 2003 3:01 PM
There are several builders who have a strong involvement with cross. A short list incldues:

Always nice to support the little guys who in turn support the sport.
Good custom cross buildersatpjunkie
Dec 18, 2003 11:34 PM
you forgot Soulcraft, but agree on your point. If ya go custom support these builders. They support US!
and KELLY nmatpjunkie
Dec 18, 2003 11:36 PM
What does Soulcraft use for tubing? (nm)DJR
Dec 27, 2003 5:41 PM
What does Soulcraft use for tubing? (nm)atpjunkie
Dec 30, 2003 10:07 PM
Superstock Custom Pipes: their own proprietary mix.
from them:
Our frames are designed with specific tubing specs to give each frame a compliant ride while retaining a high level of durability.  We are able to provide custom drawn tubing with our specific designs for tubing diameters, wall thicknesses, butt lengths and tensile strengths, while ensuring that the new SuperStock Custom Pipes are top notch in workmanship and quality.  SuperStock Custom Pipes are standard on all SOULCRAFT frames.  Another way we can assure you that your next SOULCRAFT frame is Top notch.

A Word on Tubing
As a framebuilder, we are constantly bombarded with questions about the brand of tubing we use; "Are you guys using XYZ?"  We know the marketing value of having a certain tubing decal on our frames but, in the end, the brand of tubing is one of the least important variables in building a quality frame.  Some examples of more important detail questions are:  Are the welds sound?  How much did the frame get tweaked on before it was straight?  Is it even straight?  Are the tubes the correct diameter and wall thickness for the application and is the butting properly placed?
Anyone can build a frame with XYZ, but do they know what the heck they are doing, and most importantly, will the bike handle well?

In the end, who builds your frame is more important than what tubing brand it's made of.  It's in our best interest to use high quality tubing, but the tube spec is most important so we might use tubing from a few different suppliers or have tubes custom made because no one company makes all the exact tubes we desire for our frames.  As we here at SOULCRAFT are fond of saying, "Look at the sticker on the downtube that tells you who made it, not the sticker on the seat tube that tells you what tubing it's made of."  So don't "tube shop" when researching your next frame purchase.  Instead, shop for a builder you can trust.
a national championship was won on one so they must work. Alan (James) Coats won the 35-39 masters on a Soulcraft. He used to ride a Steelman and he seems quite happy with the new rig.