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Kona and Salsa Scandium Frames(9 posts)

Kona and Salsa Scandium Framesstinkbug
Oct 30, 2003 8:38 PM
Kona and Salsa label their new cross frames as having "Kona scandium" and "Salsa scandium" tubesets, respectively. Anybody have experience with these "scandium" frames - do they have the steel-like ride that scandium is known for, or is it just a marketing ploy? Both frames seem to be much cheaper than Easton scandium frames.
re: Kona and Salsa Scandium Framesdonkekus
Oct 30, 2003 9:57 PM
Well...
I don't know..
But, if you look closely at the Kona Kula Primo frame (I know it is a mtb).
You can see an Easton logo, pressed into the top tube near the steer tube.

Makes me wonder...
Too bad VooDoo went caput, they made the nice shizle.

I've heard scandium is great, light, and rides like steel.
re: Kona and Salsa Scandium Framesskateparks
Oct 31, 2003 4:26 AM
When considering both frames for my wife this Fall, I spoke to a bunch of riders who had them at our races, probably 15 total. 100% of the riders that I spoke with were happy with the frames, said that they were very light, rode well (although none compared them to steel) and were surprisingly affordable.

I would happily ride one based solely on the reactions from riders if that counts for anything.

On a seperate note, Salsa seems to have a better-than-average intuition regarding geometry. Their bikes ride well and are very available from any shop with a QBP account. Kona must come from a Kona dealer, limiting availability.

-tom
re: Kona and Salsa Scandium Framesfeathers mcgraw
Oct 31, 2003 6:13 AM
I have an older Kona Explosif mtb. The main triangle is Easton scandium. It does ride beautifully, feels lighter and more responsive than aluminum. One drawback with most scandium frames is the one year warranty.
re: Kona and Salsa Scandium Framesdlbcx
Oct 31, 2003 8:10 AM
Kona and Salsa probably bought off the shelf tubesets in large qty's and got a good discount. So, they probably don't have the additional tube shaping, like a Bianchi Cross Concept, which costs extra.
I have the SalsaCarl Mega
Oct 31, 2003 8:57 AM
I like it. Very light frame and responsive as hell. No races on it yet but I do my share of single track rides and sometimes I slap some roadie tires on there and hit the asphalt. Mostly, it's a training/fun bike for me.

Maybe it's me, but I don't think people talk about Scandium having a steel-like feel anymore. IMO, that was the initial marketing hype. Heck, I don't think a 2.7-3.0 pound frame is capable of feeling like a 4+ pound frame -ever. Not that it's bad - just different.

FWIW, the Salsa 56 fits me and I'm 6'1''. It's a tall bike.

Feel free to ask any questions.
re: Kona and Salsa Scandium Framesflyweight
Oct 31, 2003 9:24 AM
Both use Easton tubing and are made in the same factory. Personally, I opted for the non-Scandium Kona frame. Both frames use the exact same chain/seat stays. You'll never notice the weight difference while riding. Our team is riding the Easton Ultralite frames and it hasn't slowed them down. Heck, one of our riders finished 40 seconds ahead of Alison Dunlap despite starting 30 seconds behind her! Of course that just goes to show it's the rider and not the bike.
re: Kona and Salsa Scandium Framessnwbdrhoon
Oct 31, 2003 7:30 PM
any truth to what i heard that scandium is dent prone compared to aluminum, etc.
re: Kona and Salsa Scandium Framesflyweight
Nov 3, 2003 9:25 AM
As a metal, Scandium is less resistant to denting. The scandium increases the hardness of the aluminum. This in turn allows the walls to be drawn even thinner (giving a more comfortable ride) Dent resistance will have more to due with wall thickness than the material. A thinner scandium reinforced tube could dent more easily than a regular 6000 or 7000 series aluminum.

Worth noting that one of the earlier applications of scandium was to reinforce the nosecones of submarine launched ballistic missiles so that they could be fired through polar ice packs. That should tell you something about hard hard the stuff is.