Oct 22, 2003 8:37 AM
|How well do bar end shifters work in 'cross racing? How different is it from normal road bike shifters (STI?)? Is it hard to get use to? Can you shift fast when needed?|
|re: Bar-End Shifters||dlbcx|
Oct 22, 2003 8:55 AM
|Before STI and Ergo's, bar ends were the only way to go. It isn't that hard to get use to, just takes some practice. You can shift up or down through all of the cogs in one motion. Another positive item is they tend survive crashing better than STI's or Ergo's and are cheaper to replace, too.|
Oct 22, 2003 10:42 AM
|2 crashes so far & still going ....|
|Regarding bar-ends, and Tiagra STIs on aforementioned Jamis...||Spunout|
Oct 22, 2003 11:31 AM
|I cracked the body of my Tiagra STI in the first week. Bouncing around trying to shift, brake, and hang on at the same time probably resulted in this.
A bar-end system would be cheaper to maintain, functionally similar (I found that I ride the drops more for stability). Pricey to move the whole system over, I'll wait until the STIs melt down in a bad way before replacing them.
|re: Bar-End Shifters||dlbcx|
Oct 22, 2003 5:10 PM
|I forgot to mention that old school guys use to cut off the end of bars such that there is very small straight section for mounting the bar ends. So, if you are in the drops, you don't have to slide your hand back very far to make a shift. I haven't tried it since I don't have a hacksaw but it does make sense.|
Oct 23, 2003 12:46 PM
|it also eliminates a bit of the knee shifting issue as well.
Bar ends to me are also a protest against the Big "S"'s 'repair by replacement' business model. I will only grudgingly support a company that forces you to buy a new set of shifters to replace a .02 cent return spring. This is a business practice that creates more waste for the land fill for more money in their pocket. If I didn't Frankenbike my rigs from used MTB and road parts, if I had built from the ground up new I would have used Campy. I swear I'm going to find a machinist to modify the throw of ergos to match Shimano derailleurs, until then, bar cons or Take Offs. Imagine Kelly invented a product specifically because of this, can you imagine the meeting when this was brainstormed? "Well, STI's don't work well in mud and gunk and it's $180 bucks every time they die, so lets make a mount to use DT shifters on the bars..." Bravo to them, and shame on the big "S". Me bitter? hell I'm still mad about what they did to Suntour.
Oct 24, 2003 9:04 AM
|Saw the newest thing that Paul Components is making-thumbshifters. Talk about retro! Check out the site since what they showed were the shifters mounted next to the secondary brake levers. Actually, kind of a cool idea...|
|I want a pair!! nm||MShaw|
Oct 24, 2003 9:53 AM
|...but will they fit on a road bar?||The Walrus|
Oct 24, 2003 11:21 AM
|I'm waiting to see what Paul sez in reply to my question; if they will fit, they certainly would be no more difficult to use than conventionally-mounted barcons, and considering that I do most of my trail riding on the bar tops, they'd be ideal.
Might not be an original idea, though--Forge-MTB in Britain brought out virtually the same thing earlier this year. The Paul version is about $30 less at current exchange rates, though.
|Probably not. nm||MShaw|
Oct 27, 2003 11:13 AM
|Ahhhhh, well--the official word from Paul...||The Walrus|
Oct 28, 2003 11:34 AM
|...is that, no, they won't fit a road bar, but that they have had several requests/queries on the topic, and that it's still unlikely that we'll get such a thing.
|bar cons and nice weather||atpjunkie|
Oct 28, 2003 7:53 PM
|still cheaper to replace. I ran Shimano on a road rig and lost the return spring to use and it was repair by replace. I took the STI's from my cross rig, put them on my roadie and replaced with bar cons. slower to shift, yes a little, more reliable, yes alot. cheaper to replace, yes alot, more likely to run after a wreck, yes alot, can trim the front der. to eliminate chain rub YES. so to me bar cons were just a more logical choice. if I were loaded (financially) and could afford it, yes I'd run STI's.|
|re: Bar-End Shifters||MShaw|
Oct 24, 2003 10:02 AM
|The one thing I've noticed when riding with ATPJunkie is that it takes a little more effort for him to shift. If you're on the hoods, you have to drop your hands to the end of the drops and shift.
I'm using STI and all it takes is a flick of the wrist.
We're in SoCal where the sun always shines so there's no mud/snow/freezing issues to overcome. When brifters first came out, I used to switch over to barcons in the fall. Didn't want my new, way expensive shifters to crap out before the next racing season...
If I knew I was racing in some nasties, the choice would be a lot harder. Hmmm, lets see: shift with barcons or have a singlespeed by defalt, maybe. In a situation where you're out in the boonies and crash, you can flip over to friction and keep going.
So in summary, if you're racing in nice weather brifters are easier to use. If you're racing in the nasties, barcons are probably better.