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Sick of V's...going to cantis, any recommendations?SS_MB-7
Oct 20, 2003 6:12 AM
Grrr, after yesterday's wet-n-muddy race, I'm sick of my V-brakes (XTR V's with Dia-Compe 287V levers). I've been fiddling with them for weeks and just can't get them set-up right....now I know why I never ran V's on my MTB..disc only.

In order to have brake set-up to my liking (very little lever throw), the pads are too close to the rim and are constantly rubbing. Also, the lever seems to be too squishy.

I ride a singlespeed, so I don't need STI or Ergo levers. I'm toying with either Shimano R600 non-STI levers or Campy Record non-Ergo levers, but I'm not sure about which set of cantis to go with.

My one and only experience with cantis was ~10 yrs ago with a set of XTRs on my first real MTB. I quickly swapped them-out for a set of Magura HS-33s. I've been using hydraulics (either rimmers or discs) ever since....until I built my 'cross bike last year.

It seems the general consensus is that Avid cantis squeal. I can't stand noise. Is there a cure for this (i.e., toeing the pads, etc.)? Any other canti recommendations?

BTW, I'm using Mavic Open Pro ceramic rims, so I'll need ceramic pads.

Also, since I'm using V's, I don't have the necessary front/rear cable hangers. I'm using a 1-1/8" unthreaded fork. Are there any good front/rear canti cable hangers?

Ride Hard,
Mike B.
http://www.one-speed.com
Honestly....Chicago_Steve
Oct 20, 2003 6:55 AM
If your fiddling with your V Brakes then chances are you'll probably be fiddling with your canti's when you get them....

One thing that you can do with cantilevers is vary the feel by adjusting the amount of straddle cable you are using. Sheldon has a great article on this so I won't beleaguer the point.

There are some basic consideration that you might want to factor into your decision. First off the majority of cantilevers on the market are post mount. Can you still get ceramic pads in a post mount configuration? Do you go through brake pads in a short amount of time? Post mounting requires that you remove the old pad to install the new pad meaning that you need to readjust your brakes EVERY time you switch pads (no one has come up with a post mount cartridge style pad that I know of).

I'd look at Paul brakes. They are spendy but use a threaded post brake pad so you could swap out the XTR cartridge pads you are currently using.
good replyrichpierce
Oct 20, 2003 7:45 AM
Good advice.

Original posting said, "In order to have brake set-up to my liking (very little lever throw), the pads are too close to the rim and are constantly rubbing. Also, the lever seems to be too squishy". Surprised. Using travel agents with the V brakes? Gotta with road brake levers.

"I'm not sure about which set of cantis to go with."
Most any will work fine. Just set them up right. I look for 5-5.5 " between the arms and a straddle cable angle of between 110 and 130 degrees.

"It seems the general consensus is that Avid cantis squeal. I can't stand noise. Is there a cure for this (i.e., toeing the pads, etc.)? Any other canti recommendations?"
No need for Avids to squeal. Right pads, some toe-in, no problemo. Folks used to V's often don't realize you need to toe in brakes on cantis. Cantis are cantis as far as I am concerned. Some are better made, lighter, more stylin. Different profiles etc but I just change the setup so they all work the same.

"BTW, I'm using Mavic Open Pro ceramic rims, so I'll need ceramic pads."
As Steve said, the ceramic pads problem is a tough one to solve for cantis.

Also, since I'm using V's, I don't have the necessary front/rear cable hangers. I'm using a 1-1/8" unthreaded fork. Are there any good front/rear canti cable hangers?

Sure. I'd be surprised if your cross bike does not have a rear hanger for the brake cable housing. Then you need good hanger for the cable itself and good straddle cables. Sheldon Brown or ebay. Up front, you have to decide whether to run a cable housing hanger under your stem, use a stem that the cable runs thru, or drill the stem to accept the housing and let the cable pass thru. I think that setup is the most direct cable route.
travel agents/287'sctisevn
Oct 20, 2003 8:07 AM
I dont think hes using travel agents, he said hes got 287v's. they dont require additional hardware to run v's.
I've been using 287v's with shortys for most of the season(see my rant regarding them a couple weeks back). I had to mess with the length of the straddle cable to get them to work to my liking but Ive got no complaints now.
Thanks. BTW, I'm using 287V levers (v-brake compatible) (nm)SS_MB-7
Oct 20, 2003 8:11 AM
Paul Neo Retro'sCoolhand
Oct 20, 2003 9:35 AM
Try Paul Neo Retro's they have the classic cross background and are much quieter then Avids. I am 185, and have had pretty good luck with them.

Bonus- they are carried by Quality, so you can get them anywhere, usually.

Seeing you are into the nice stuff, there are always these beauties:

http://www.store.yahoo.com/cyclocrossworld/spookcarbrak.html

Mmmm, Carbon!

Coolhand
And FWIW.... (brake history enclosed)Chicago_Steve
Oct 20, 2003 10:08 AM
Brakes are probably the biggest issue I've had with my CX bike. Like you, I came from an MTB background and have been enjoying disk brakes for the last couple of years. Here's what I've tried and my feedback:

Avids - My first brakes were Avid Shorty Ti's (now the Shorty 8). They look good, use cartridge pads and stopped well. BUT squealed like crazy. I tried multiple pad compounds, toe-in, toe-out, voodoo chants, but nothing seemed to work. I know that some guys here have had luck with these brakes but I did not...

Radius - I picked up a set of Radius brakes for cheap on eBay. They are a nice design (similar to Spooky, NeoRetros, Mafac, etc). The stock pads suck but I replaced them with Ritchey Red compound pads with cartridge style pad holders. There was no squeal with the Radius brake but I could never get the power I wanted from them. I suspect is is due to the fact that Radius lever arm isn't as long as some of the competition. They went to eBay.

Suntour - You can see picts of my current brake setup below. They are not as light as the Avid brakes and are a little more finicky to set up then the Radius brakes but they work very well for me! I have the straddle cable set low which sacrifices some modulation but the power (especially with the Koolstop pads) is excellent. I can't see myself switching brakes again!

Front brake setup


Rear brake setup
I still have some of the XC Pros in my bag o' brakes! nmMShaw
Oct 20, 2003 10:43 AM
Second Paulspeter in NVA
Oct 20, 2003 12:46 PM
Avids squealed terribly on my Ritchey SwissCross. The Pauls Neo-Retro front and Touring rear are totally quiet. You can dial in any modulation you want and they have a nice machined angular look that I like. I paid $250 (US) with install, but worth it.
One more optionTWD
Oct 20, 2003 2:24 PM
Have you considered trying the Magura HS-66 brakes? I think they are pretty much identical to the HS-33 mtb brakes, but use road levers.

I run them on my road tandem and they stop really well, and have a firm smooth lever feel. They might be a bit too powerful for a lighter rider though.

I think they run for about $230, which isn't cheap, but not out of the ball park compared to say a set of Pauls and Record Carbon Aero levers.

They aren't that light at 880g for a complete set including levers/hose/calipers.

Oh, and the lever is really ugly, but then again the 287V isn't exactly a work of art either.

Definitely more function than form, but they work really well.