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Tufo clincher opinions please....(11 posts)

Tufo clincher opinions please....Farmpunker
Jul 28, 2003 9:08 AM
Hello,
Time to start thinking about race season. I need new tires. I ran Panaracer Crossblasters last year and liked them. I was wondering about the Tufo clinchers. I searched the archive and didn't find a lot of feedback. Anyone use(ing) these tires? Don't know if I'll switch out of the Crossblasters without a really good report on the Tufos. And I can't seem to find a pair, anyway.
feedbackbuffalosorrow
Jul 28, 2003 11:15 AM
I am running them on both my Colnago and Graham Weigh SS both racing and commuting.
If you read the Tufo site, they offer a good summary.

This question is often discussed even amongst the bicycle racers and top professionals, and "correct" answer of an "expert cyclist" is often based on a grist of half truths, quite false assumptions and failure to understand basic facts. In reality the answer to this question is not straightforward and generally valid, because it depends on what use the bicycle and the tire will be put to. Therefore, only general facts with characteristics of available tire types can be listed here:
   TUBULAR TIRES:

* used by majority of competitive cyclists
* from all tire types they have the lowest rolling resistance
* tubular tire is the lightest
* tubular rim is lighter than clincher rim
* possibility of higher pressure inflation than clincher type tire
* in case of flat the stability and safety of the rider is not affected as much as in the case with clincher tires
* can be ridden flat in case of emergency
* necessity of gluing the tire to the rim
* the flat repairs are not easy (does not apply to TUFO tubular tires in combination with TUFO sealant, the repair is easy and in many cases instant and cheap)

   CLINCHER TIRES:

* from all choices clincher tire is the heaviest
* necessity to use inner tube, adds more weight, lowers rolling resistance
* necessity to use rim liner, extra part and more weight
* clincher type tire is heavier than tubular tire
* higher rolling resistance in comparison with tubular tires
* in case of flat , the repair is possible (not easy) or the tube has to be changed
* no need to utilize glue, installation is difficult and sometimes impossible without using tools
* immediate use after installation
* in case of flat, direct and instant affect on the stability and safety of the rider

   TUFO TUBULAR TIRES FOR CLINCHER RIMS:

* totally new, revolutionary construction
* low rolling resistance
* no need for rim liner
* low weight
* no need to use glue
* the easiest and fastest installation from all types of tires, no tools required
* possibility of high inflation pressures
* distinctly the safest behavior in case of flats without endangering the stability of the rider
* in case of emergency can be ridden flat
* immediate use after installation
* construction and compactness is equal to tubular tires, riding properties are very close to tubular tires as well

   Summary 

For racing purposes and quality training , or for a ride with feeling of lightness, tubular tires are the obvious choice. Their main advantage is significant saving on weight, not only on the tire itself, but also on the rim. This weight saving can amount for the front and rear wheel in total to 500 grams in comparison to the use of clincher rims and tires. Moreover, this weight saving is realized on the circumference of the rotary parts ( wheels) where, from the physical point of view, in case of acceleration, the low weight has far more importance than the weight of solid parts of a bicycle.

It is necessary to realize that races are won just by acceleration in the right and critical moment, as final sprint, catch-up with the peloton, break off from the peloton.

At the same time low rolling resistance and safety in case of flats are strong arguments for tubular tires. TUFO tubular clincher tire is quite universal. It can be used anywhere tubular or clincher tires are presently utilized (road races, time trials, training, cyclocross events, cyclotourism).

For those who switch from clincher type tires to TUFO tubular clinchers, there is no extra investment. They only have to replace three parts (tire, tube and liner) with only one - TUFO tubular clincher tire. Everyone will soon realize the advantage of easy installation and, in combination with TUFO sealant, the fastest and most effective flat repair wit
remainder....buffalosorrow
Jul 28, 2003 11:23 AM
must have gone over the text limit...

For those who switch from clincher type tires to TUFO tubular clinchers, there is no extra investment. They only have to replace three parts (tire, tube and liner) with only one - TUFO tubular clincher tire. Everyone will soon realize the advantage of easy installation and, in combination with TUFO sealant, the fastest and most effective flat repair without removing the tire from the rim.

I am quite happy with them. If one injects the sealant prior to a flat (in my case removed the piece of glass and before a great deal of pressure loss) it self -seals and you ride away, without having to change a tube or tire! I like them because I have no more pinch flats, and the self sealing is a god send. Over on the road forum there was a post regrading them, where some people said they were worthless, as you already have a choice from tub and clichers what more do you need? I personally think they have helped, nothing rides like a tubular and this meets it half way. Also you need not to invest in a new tubular wheelset, If at any rate try them out!
They are available at www.cyclocrossworld.com
and links for dealers can be found at www.tufonorthamerica.com

I posted my GW SS with a red diamond front and a black T30 rear tub/clinch buffalosorrow "millions of excuses later, here's my ride..." 7/18/03 4:01pm

If you have any more q's, mail me at my new address:
onespeedonelove@singlespeed.net
Got it for free! Pretty interesting eh?
remainder....Farmpunker
Jul 29, 2003 9:45 AM
Buffalosorrow,
What kind of mileage do you get out of these tires? My cross bike sees a lot of road miles. Couple months? Longer, shorter?
tire lifebuffalosorrow
Jul 29, 2003 2:18 PM
I must say I ride them till they die, and they are not dead yet, I was expecting them to go bald fast, but they have not.
I commute 15 miles a day, altough I do not work every day, just had the past week off. I have been riding the rear (C-T30) for four months plus? And it still looks good at 1/2 tread.

If riding on road why not try the C- diamond, its 28c. I am riding that on the front. I raced it also, worked well cutting through sand and mud. They also have road tires in the tub/clinch. And a new carbon tire!

I honestly have had no problems with them. The rubber is of great quality.
remainder....arctic hawk
Jul 29, 2003 10:22 AM
Wow! Nice job! This is one of the most complete write-ups I have ever seen & read regarding the differences between clinchers & tubulars.

Arctic Hawk
dem not my wordsbuffalosorrow
Jul 29, 2003 2:20 PM
Stole em' from the tufo north american site.
dem not my wordsarctic hawk
Jul 29, 2003 5:10 PM
Awwwww! Shucks! Here I thought was the guru of tires...

Arctic Hawk
I plan to try them, butjm3
Jul 29, 2003 9:43 PM
the whole tubular tires have less rolling resistance myth has been proven false in many studies. In fact, all except conti's have more rolling resistance than today's clinchers. The conti's (I forget which model) come close, but still fail to match any high end racing clincher. Keep in mind the differences here are so small we couldn't tell the difference anyway.

Toob's do ride more comfortably, IMHO, and the pinch flat protection is a big plus. I've heard great things about the tufo sealant, but get mixed reviews about the tubular/clincher road tires. Some love them, some hate them. Most of the haters, however, seem to be traditional tubular diehards, and complain about the weight penalty. I fail to see a real difference.

I'll decide for myself, but I already think a clincher/tubular is a great idea. Cyclocrossworld's web site still says there out of stock, but speedgoat.com and bicycletires.com both list them at competitive prices. I've never dealt with bicycletires.com, but speedgoat has been good to me.
I plan to try them, butdeangene
Aug 1, 2003 6:37 AM
With apologies in advance for the commercial post: I have a set of clincher Elites that I'd be willing to sell. Excellent shape, yellow 700x30, less than 150 miles. Email me off list if you're interested.
interestedbuffalosorrow
Aug 3, 2003 3:43 AM
How much? Any pic's? Any flats/ sealant injected?

Buffalosorrow
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