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Fuji SuperCrossShanks23
Jun 21, 2003 9:35 AM
Have a look at what could be the next best Cyclo-Cross bike.

I submitted my idea to Fuji Bikes America.

Let me know what you think. If you agree that it would make a nice Cyclo-Cross, send me an email to show your support.

claniel@videotron.ca
Is this your bike?Steve_O
Jun 23, 2003 5:53 AM
Questions that Fuji will be looking for:

- How do you shoulder it for cross racing?
- Weight?
- What about front suspension? (That's how mountain bikes started out)
Is this your bike?Shanks23
Jun 23, 2003 8:16 AM
The Fuji Cross, which is pretty much this bike without rear suspension, is already made for cross racing so no need to shoulder it.

Weight: 20.5 lbs. Current Fuji Cross bike weight is 19.X lbs, add the RockShox SID (250 grams) and possible added welding / material for rear suspension could bring the bike closer to 20.5 lbs, 21 lbs MAX.

If you really want a front suspension, then the lightest you could get with lockout would be a Manitou Skareb Super (3 lbs). I would prefer keeping the very light weight carbon fork and let my arms absorb the stuff. Unless they make a Cannondale type front suspension (Fatty Ultra SL) with carbon forks, then that could appeal to me...

If no company wants to make this kind of Cyclo-Cross, I might end up buying a Trek Fuel 98, customize it and turn it into a WICKED Cyclo-Cross.
Shouldering?ElvisMerckx
Jun 23, 2003 9:28 AM
Yes, there is a need to shoulder it ('cross racing typically involves barriers and run-ups), and the shock in that image is in the way. I forsee a lot of pinched & bruised shoulders.

If rear-suspension ever makes its way into 'cross bikes, I think Specialized is on the right track with their "Roubaix" frames (as ridden by Domina at the '03 Paris-Roubaix).
Rear suspension / KHS CX-100arctic hawk
Jun 23, 2003 9:39 AM
Doesn't the KHS CXer come equipped with a type of rear suspension? Not the type as pictured in the Fuji Supercross.
BTW, I think Ridley is already using the name Supercross for their top end frame.

Arctic Hawk
(my $0.02 worth)
Hmmm...Steve_O
Jun 23, 2003 11:12 AM
Well... Shouldering a CX bike is an essential part of the sport. In fact, race oriented CX bikes are often made without the water bottle braze-ons so that the rider doesn't get cut up while shouldering the bike during the race...

Check out cyclocrossworld.com for more info...and picts....


As far as rear suspension designs that comply with this need, Moots and KHS have designed "softtail" style rear ends that keep the traditional diamond frame geometry. Curtlo and Ritchey will build you a bike with curved seatstays to help absorb the shock. You'd probably have more luck if you worked with Fuji on these types of designs.

As for front suspension no one really does a nice light 700c compatible fork right now... White Bros. and Marzocchi have MTB forks with 3" of travel for the 29 inch crowd but they are a little heavy with too much travel for cross purposes.

Remember that this design might be "YOUR" dream cross bike but Fuji has to think of the broader market of buyers (and the CX market is pretty small as it is!)... Now, if the Trek fuel catches your fancy I'd suggest looking at the Fisher Sugar 292 bike...

- 29 inch wheels like a CX bike.
- Short travel (or long with the Sybil link)
- relatively light
Hmmm...Shanks23
Jun 26, 2003 8:03 AM
Thanks for explaining to me what "shouldering" is... I don't practice Cyclo-Cross, it's just that the bike I would like to have sort of falls in that category. If I can actually design it so it's also good for that sport, then BONUS. So based on your comments, here's a different design. You'll see this frame has a nice rounded shape for your "shouldering" and it's REALLY light since it's made out of Trek's OCLV carbon. Let me know what you think. I don't have the right crank and rear tire on that picture. It's just something quick I came up with: