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P.S. (see topic entered below)funhoggin-gal
May 19, 2003 8:58 PM
about those smaller, non-high-throughput, non-commercialized bike makers . . . I'm all for 'em and hope that didn't sound like a negative - I'd like to put my cash in a little guy's pocket rather than a big corporation . . . but getting the right bike is priority (hope that makes sense).
If you're thinking about going with a "little guy"...SJT
May 20, 2003 5:07 AM
check out Doug Curtis of Curtlo Cycles (curtlo.com). Doug was great to talk to, very patient, and is willing to make the bike *exactly* how you want it. You want disc tabs...you got it. You want to run wide tires...you got it. You want rack and fender mounts...you get the idea. He includes all those options and more in the price of the frame and doesn't charge extra. Like I said, give him a call (his # is on the website) and talk to him about your needs. I just received my frame from him a little over a week ago and the worksmanship is of very high quality. IMHO there are few other builders that match Doug's value.
-Steve
Second that Re:------> Doug Curtis of Curtlo Cycleskiwisimon
May 20, 2003 5:37 AM
I was all ready to send my money to Doug untill my lovely wife got a custom cx made secretly by my old factory racing team here in Japan. They had all my sizes and geometry preferences and she managed to get it at a good price.
Back to Doug though, great service, approachable and your money will stay in America. If you can afford more I can also recommend Ritchey bikes but Curtlo are good. If you get a steel one done ask about clear powder coating. This shows up all the welds in great hues and shouts steel.
Good luck and by the way funlovin'gal you sound more educated about bikes than a lot of people posting.
Cheers
simon in Japan
re: P.S. (see topic entered below)arctic hawk
May 20, 2003 8:42 AM
Hello!
Though I did not buy my CX from a small company, mine is a Trek XO1, I did buy Made in America. I'm Canadian & it is important to me to buy North American made goods, though much of the parts are made in Japan.

Arctic Hawk
(my $0.02 worth)
made in americafunhoggin-gal
May 20, 2003 2:22 PM
Hey, Artic Hawk.

Thanks for the reply - I've had a couple of other suggestions for the Trek. Just to clarify my meaning about giving $ to the little guys - It's not so much "made in America I care about (as an true American trying to spend my $ wisely, I just want the best dang bike my money can buy). That said, if I could give my money to someone who is building custom bikes by hand, who has a small shop, a big passion, and a wallet that will actually feel the effect of my purchase - well, I'd rather do that (for the same or better quality machine and service) than give my cash to a big corporation. It's like buying your veges at the local stand instead of Kroger or Albertsons.

That said, how do you like that Trek?
made in americasnwbdrhoon
May 20, 2003 5:07 PM
Not to jump in but I have an XO1 and it's a great bike. I have an older one (2000), and it rocks in all conditions. I think the al may be a bit harsh for your touring needs but it is a fun bike.

If I can throw my hat in the ring for another small builder, check out Kelly bikes or my local favorites: www.ifbikes.com
Trek/ Made in Americaarctic hawk
May 20, 2003 6:09 PM
I agree with your opinion with regards to buying from the little guy but in Montreal, Canada, very few LBS have CX bikes on the floor to show & I do not know of any frame builders locally.
Now, the XO1, it's an extremely great bike. I love it!!! I got a real great deal on ebay. The bike is equipped with ultegra RD, cassette, crank, & bar con shifters, FD is RSX (soon to be ultegra), with stock tires & rims. Going from asphalt to gravel to mud to gravel to asphalt, it doesn't miss a beat!
To be honest, I am uncertain by what people mean by AL beating them up. I guess I really have to hit something big/hard on the trails to understand, but I am not a hardcore MTB guy, just single tracking whenever it strikes my fancy, daily commute to work & weekend play.
At one point, I looked into a Bianchi Axis, but the pricing was more than my budget.
Happy hunting!
Arctic Hawk
(my $0.02 worth)
Maybe check out these guys...Steve_O
May 22, 2003 10:56 AM
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca

Marinoni is based in Lachenaie, Quebec. They make a CX bike called the Fango that is not listed on their website. Pricing seems very competitive for a small manufacturer...
small buildersjm3
May 20, 2003 12:55 PM
You can bet that any of the custom or semi-custom builders that have been mentioned to you will produce a better bike than the bianchi could hope to be. Any time you can go custom over a production frame you'll get a better bike - especially with your knowledge and ability to articulate what you want. Their ability to change/tweek geometry and frame materials to suit you and your needs, and their much tighter tolerances guarantee a better bike. Production frames are usually very good, don't think I'm knocking them, but they're designed to fit the average person and you have indicated that the average bike may not fit the way you like.

Call some of these builders. They build bikes for the love of it - none are getting rich. Because they love it so much they are very serious about bike building and they also love to talk about their craft. None will be hurt if you choose not to buy from them. I understand the sight unseen thing, but perhaps a conversation or two with a builder (or two, three, etc.) will put you at ease. Mostly, though, you'll be sure to get the bike that's right for you - even if it ends up being the bianchi. Have fun!
small builders Second Thatatpjunkie
May 20, 2003 6:27 PM
may cost more but they will tailor make bike to your needs
re: P.S. (see topic entered below)Hardtail
May 20, 2003 3:12 PM
I know Im getting in on the tail end of this post and maybe it's been mentioned but you should try www.steelmancycles.com. Hes really cool to work with and builds some awesome stuff too.
other builders too:rockbender
May 21, 2003 10:01 AM
I can't remember if I posted these before on this thread, but certainly check out some other builders too:

Jericho is in cali somewhere and has nice looking bikes. www.jerichobicycles.com

DeSalvo cycles in southern Oregon - Mike builds beatiful bikes - check them out: www.desalvocycles.com

Alpine Designs: a relative newcomer to the frame building biz, this might be one of the better values out there. Toby was advertising on the classifieds here at one point. Give him a call at 208-263-9373 or e-mail biker1@coldreams.com to see what he can do for you. His shop is in Sandpoint, ID. Another poster just recently bought one of his frames... you can check past threads for some inital first impressions and pictures.

Do lots of research and figure out what geometries will work, and then keep an eye on the classifieds too. We were lucky enough to pick up a voodoo loa for my GF that fits her great - her all purpose machine.