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cross-specific bar size (salsa bell-lap)(11 posts)

cross-specific bar size (salsa bell-lap)dpb
Apr 2, 2003 6:50 AM
Hi Folks,

I've been riding my specialized M4CX with a 42cm standard road bar. I need to replace it, and am trying to decide whether to go for a 44 (original spec on the bike is a 44 ritchey biomax). If it were a strait road bar, I wouldn't hesitate, but I'm not sure about the salsa moto-ace bell lap with the 'flares'. I need to order the part, so I can't really get a good look at it.

I never had problems with the 42, but I do want more room and leverage. Do I stick with a 42 with the salsa bell-lap, or go for a 44?

Thanks,
Damian Bradley
bell lap feedbackSteve_O
Apr 2, 2003 8:36 AM
I went from a 42cm Icon road bar on my trek to a 42cm Salsa bell-lap on my CX bike. The Salsa bar seems much narrower then what I was used to. If you look at the top bends in the Salsa and your current BioMax bar the Salsa starts bending much earlier then the BioMax. I think this contributes to the narrower feel of the bar. I would go for the 44cm Bell-Lap.

Steve-O (currently in the market for a 44cm BioMax II bar)
bell lap feedbackdpb
Apr 2, 2003 10:41 AM
I actually ran an ITM Mondial from 1986. A 'Standard' shape if there ever was one, and light as sin. It couldn't stand up to the rigors of CX though.

Are the Biomax's hard to find? You can get one from a mail order shop in Maine. I built up my bike with help from these guys, I like 'em, but don't work for 'em.

http://www.bikeman.com/catalog/handlebars/crossritcheybiomax2.htm

Thanks for the feedback,
Damian
not hard to find but...Steve_O
Apr 2, 2003 10:53 AM
I've been waiting to see if one pops up on eBay or the classifieds here...
re: cross-specific bar size (salsa bell-lap)OffRoadTourer
Apr 3, 2003 6:07 AM
Go wide, or even wider. I got the widest size (I forget what it is, 46cm?) and have never looked back. When the going gets rough you'll appreciate the extra width. Even narrow XC mountain bike bars are wider than this. I wish they made even wider bell-laps. The flare and ergo bulge on the bell-laps is excellent, especially if you have largish hands. I love my bell-laps!
re: cross-specific bar size (salsa bell-lap)flyweight
Apr 3, 2003 10:00 AM
Go wide. I run 42's on my road bike but 46's on my cross rigs. Personally, I tried the Bell Lap but didn't like it. Not a fan of the flare. Currently running the Short N Shallow which is a great bar. Seems to have more room on the tops than the Bell Lap.
ditto on the go widelookin for help
Apr 3, 2003 12:14 PM
I just finished outfitting my Lemond Poprad rig and went with the 46cm bell lap. I love them - would not want any narrower
Chip
Tritto on the 46 Bell LapJan Gerrit Klok
Apr 3, 2003 2:25 PM
Got them for my singlespeed crit/training bike, a Surly Pacer with vertical dropouts.
The Bell Laps are enourmously wide, it's actually harder to overtake, the guys in the monday crit told me.
I miscalculated my 56-16 gear, forgot that I went back to shorter cranks whaich made i a little too big to be ideal, it was also my first SS competition outing ever. The width of the Bell Lap allowed me to somewhat keep up with the others, while I'm not in crit hap at all, and was running 450g Tufo 28mm tires as an extra handicap.
I hope to try this setup, but then with a 39t front ring in a dry cross some da, see how that works out in the dirt.

I got the 31.8mm clamp Bell Lap, and a matching 100mm Dimension big-a$$ stem. Hugely stiff, I had never come across anything like this.

BTW, those tires (28mm Diamnond Pro) are actually quite okay for asphalt crits, to my surprise. Cornering is sucure for my 185lb though rolling is probably like higer end Tufo knobbies.

Waiting for the Rivendell 27's to come in, hope those will make a good impact on my riding.
wide is goodatpjunkie
Apr 3, 2003 6:04 PM
hell I run 44's or 46's on my roadies (I'm big) I like 48's on my cx when I can find them.
but for road?dpb
Apr 3, 2003 8:27 PM
I'm not that big (~5'11", 150#), and I do about 75%/25% road / mountain. No "cross" persay, not yet anyway. A standard 42 bar was a bit too narrow overall, but decent for the road. I hope the 44 I ordered doesn't screw up my nice aero position in the drops on the asphalt.

I'm looking forward to trying out my new gearing...picked up an FSA Gossamer CX crank with 38/48t. Should beat the hell out of my 1986 sugino road triple with the granny removed! I hated those bolt holes anyway, they made the chain murder to get out if it dropped off the bottom.

Again, here I hope I don't lose too much speed on the asphalt compared to my 42/52. But then how often do you crank it up to 65 km/h anyway...

Thanks again guys, nice thread.
Cheers,
Damian
44 cm Salsa Bell Lap fine for roadDale Brigham
Apr 4, 2003 7:16 AM
Damian:

That's the size I use on both of my cross/rando bikes (Kona Jake and Steelman Eurocross) that get plenty of road use, and I'm the same height as you (but a lot fatter!), and likely have a similar shoulder width. I find the 44 cm Bell Lap is plenty wide for off-road, but not excessively so for road use.

Salsa and Ritchey (and Profile and Cinelli) measure bar width center-to-center, unlike TTT, ITM, Deda, and some other manufacturers, who measure bar width outside-to-outside edge. That alone makes a Salsa 44 cm bar equivalent to a 46 cm TTT, ITM, or Deda bar (not sure how your present 42 cm bar was measured). Also, the flare at the drops makes the Salsa Bell lap bars another 5 cm or so wider at the bottom. In short (width?), the Salsa 44 cm Moto Ace Bell Lap should be plenty wide for your shoulders, but not excessively so, in my opinion.

Just my 2 cents!

Dale