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Wow, what a difference...txcross
Mar 31, 2003 11:37 AM
riding cyclocross makes in improving cross country mountain biking.

A little backgroud. About 5 months ago I hit my plateau for XC riding. I had been riding real hard all summer and just could not seem to improve, fitness or skill. I was getting board with mountain biking so I hung up the hardtail and decided to try road riding. I found my way to this board and decided I would give the whole CycloCross thing a try. What better than a road bike that you can take offroad. I wasn't sure I would enjoy it so I went relatively cheap. Got a 2001 model Jamis Nova.

At first I stuck mostly to pavement and some fireroads. Then started riding some jeep tracks and finally about 2 months ago started occasionally hitting the local single track. Since it was winter I was pretty much the only one out there so I had the trails all to myself.

Here we are 5 months later and I decided to take the hardtail mountain bike out. Holy cow! Riding the trails on the CX bike has made a huge difference. I am picking better lines and flying around turns like I never could before.

Now the hard part, what do I do tomorrow. Put the road wheels on the CX and hit the pavement, put the knobbies on the CX bike and hit the trails, or take the out the MB. Decisions, decisions, decisions...
re: Wow, what a difference...atpjunkie
Mar 31, 2003 12:22 PM
you will find more dust gathering on the road and MTB bikes. most mtbers never rode rigid bikes so they never learned about lines, maintaining flow and speed, etc....You have learned well. enjoy
That's right...TCN
Mar 31, 2003 3:59 PM
Pick a good line or pay the price. Ride smooth or pinch flat.

Too old for speed and the CX bike makes those old trails interesting again.

TCN (the MTB is going rigid shortly as well-straight blades & discs. gotta love it)
Excellent choice.....TWD
Mar 31, 2003 4:28 PM
on the full rigid mtb that is.

I resurected my old mtb out of the parts bin and converted it into a single speed, and picked up an old rigid fork for $15 at the lbs.

I'm amazed at how quick the handling is in tight singletrack. The combination of good tracking and lighter/lower front end is amazing.

With the lighter front you can pick your wheel up and over most of the crap that you just slam into with a suspension fork.

And the nostalgia of going back to the pre-suspension days is just gravy.
gravyatpjunkie
Mar 31, 2003 5:36 PM
you guys are making me miss my old Ritchey w/ Bullmoose bars, campy touring drivetrain, T/A Crank and Mafac Canti's. sniff sniff.
what did you do with that bike? (nm)laffeaux
Mar 31, 2003 5:50 PM
what did you do with that bike? (nm)atpjunkie
Mar 31, 2003 7:30 PM
sadly some bastard broke into my shed, cut the cable and stole it. Freakin' S.O.B. somewhere is riding around on not only a piece of history but a work of art. I grew up in Sonoma/Marin and was around for the first wave of MTB in 1980-1983. I 'd met all the crew, Ritchey, Potts, Nichol, Cunningham and the guy from Salsa whose name escapes me now( a total eccentric). Even though I had the bike I did, I coveted the two color candy stripe Ibis' or the Poufterflage Salsa with Internal cable routing.
ps more sadnessatpjunkie
Mar 31, 2003 7:31 PM
I also had a 26" Cook Brothers stolen in College. was my original 1 speed, raced it at repack a few times.
Sorry to hear it. Link to my old Ritcheyslaffeaux
Mar 31, 2003 8:44 PM
I posted this a couple of days ago on the retro board. It might bring back memories.

My '81 and '85 Ritcheys:
laffeaux "Hey laffeaux...." 3/25/03 11:58pm
Sorry to hear it. Link to my old Ritcheysatpjunkie
Apr 1, 2003 12:13 PM
sweet. now I am going to cry. mine was silver with blue ano araya wheels. 1982. memories..... c'mon sing along.
When did this Board turn into a nursing home?TCN
Apr 1, 2003 3:24 PM
Bunch of old men waxing nostalgic for things long past.

Scares me that I'm one of you!

Maybe that rigid fork Ain't such a good idea after all...

Nah!!!!!!!!
lol - I'm not that oldlaffeaux
Apr 1, 2003 5:55 PM
Just because I like old bikes and the history associated with them, does not mean I'm that old. I was in high school when the early MTBs were coming out. I was riding my Schwinn Varsity off-road at the time, and in the small east coast town I grew up in mountian bikes did not exist. :)
I'm not that old (I am), words from the Homeatpjunkie
Apr 1, 2003 6:54 PM
like the new, like the old. it's fun to pull out the retro and do a ride once in a while. Then again there's a guy I know. Has one of those 1995 reissue Molteni Orange Steel Merckx's. He actually had the frame made 'more original' fork and brake arch etc... and then equipped it with 1970's era 5 speed Campy. He kills just about everyone (Mostly Cat 2's and 3's) he rides with. So some of us wax over our younger days once in a while. We're still young enough to remember them. This is amazing enough as most long distance MTB races had a mandatory stop and get high at the halfway point clause in them.
Did you see...TCN
Apr 1, 2003 7:48 AM
Cook Bros. is making "replicas" of those early frames. There's a picture in the latest Bike mag. Frames apparently start at about 1K.

Might ease the pain.
Did you see...atpjunkie
Apr 1, 2003 12:15 PM
yea I saw. but it could never replace my burgundy with gold ano rims, bar and stem and crank. Bike was the pimpest. Look at us all waxing nostalgic over our old rides. Had a sweet old factory team Schwinn Lugged bike from same era.
coollaffeaux
Apr 1, 2003 12:57 PM
I didn't realize that Schwinn ever did lugged MTBs. Pretty cool.
coolatpjunkie
Apr 1, 2003 1:02 PM
pre Sierra / High Sierra (1981ish) first was Tig Welded with BMX Style straight tubed forks. Bikes had a tendency to snap at head tube. What followed was a lugged steel beauty with swooping curved forks built in Waterford and only sold as a frameset. As MTB got more popular they factoryized the whole shebang to the Sierra
re: Wow, what a difference...toomanybikes
Apr 1, 2003 11:48 AM
I never got around to putting a suspension fork on my MTB. My eight year old Trek 6500 has a rigid fork and back end, with a sprung Brooks saddle.

Rides like a dream, rode a friends MTB the other day, full suspension, the thing weighed 45 pounds!! I can't believe people will ride those things, slow and ponderous. You don't pick lines around things, you go over.

I'll take my CX bike or a rigid MTB anytime.
probably the wrong bike to trylaffeaux
Apr 1, 2003 1:01 PM
If the FS bike you tried was 45 pounds, it's probbaly not intended to be ridden where you plan on ridding. Full-suspension bikes can be a blast, but are different from rigid bikes (that's for sure). Try a 25 pound FS cross-country bike and not a 45 pound downhill bike and you'll probably feel differently about it.
probably the wrong bike to tryatpjunkie
Apr 1, 2003 1:30 PM
yes, I've built my FS up for Clydesdale XC and it's well under 30 and it's pretty bombproof.