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PAUL BRAKES. HELP!(8 posts)

PAUL BRAKES. HELP!HENRY K
Mar 1, 2003 5:11 PM
I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR BETTER BRAKES FOR MY 01 APPALACHIAN SINCE I BOUGHT IT. I WAS GOING TO TRY DISCS THIS YEAR BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO REBUILD BOTH SETS OF WHEELS. BESIDES, I THOUGHT THAT I WOULD LET THE ROAD DISCS WORK THE BUGS OUT FOR A YEAR OR TWO.

SO, HERE'S THE PROBLEM. I BOUGHT PAUL NEO-RETROS FOR THE FRONT & PAUL TOURING FOR THE REAR. I FINALLY GOT A CHANCE TO TAKE IT OUT TODAY AND THE TOURING BRAKES HAVE NO POWER AT ALL. I HAD TO SQUEEZE TOO HARD FOR COMFORT AND EVEN THEN THEY DID NOT WORK VERY WELL. ARE THE SET UP WRONG (STRADDLE CABLE TOO HIGH OR TOO LOW)? COULD IT BE THE SHOES (COOL STOP, BLACK COMPOUND)? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GOING NEO-RETRO ON THE REAR BUT I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN OF HEEL CLEARANCE. IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT CLOSE TO ME (SIZE 12s). ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
re: PAUL BRAKES. HELP!Dan Cas
Mar 1, 2003 7:23 PM
I had the Pauls you are talking about.It helps some to use Kool-Stop Salmon pads.There is about a 10% difference between the touring and the Neo.Clearance is an issue for dismounts in racing.If you don't race,then a Neo-Retro is a better choice for the rear.

I had an 01 AP I thought was adaptable to discs because it had the mtb dropout that took the adapter.However,the rotor rubs the chainstay.The 02 AP is disc ready.

You probably don't want to hear this,but I finished my disc brake cross bike yesterday and I have brakes.No fork chatter,no worries,just good brakes.

Look at Sheldon Browns site (Harris Cyclery) for more than you want to know about canti setup.

Dan
re: PAUL/DISC RESPONSEHENRY K
Mar 2, 2003 5:12 AM
THANKS. IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR ABOUT THE 01 APPY/DISC PROBLEM, AND EVEN MORE DISAPPOINTING TO FIND OUT THAT THEY DISCONTINUED THE APPY IN THE L/S LINEUP. ALTHOUGH THEY STILL MAKE THE BLUE RIDGE (WHICH WAS VIRTUALLY THE SAME FRAME AS THE APPY) IT IS NOT THE SAME BIKE THAT IT USED TO BE ANYMORE. GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR DISC BIKE THOUGH. HOPE THEY WORK WELL. WHY DID L/S INSTALL A DISC MOUNT ON THE 01 IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH CLEARANCE? THAT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE VERY GOOD ENGINEERING ON THEIR BEHALF!
re: PAUL/DISC RESPONSEDan Cas
Mar 2, 2003 6:44 AM
L/S said they used the dropout from the mtb/s because they had it and it was more appropriate for the frame than the road dropout.As a note,they never shipped a disc brake 02 as they never had a fork made for it.The one pictured in the brochure was a one-off prototype.
What kind of brake levers are you using?You may be able to use Tektro mini V's which are strong brakes.

Dan
re: PAUL/DISC RESPONSEHENRY K
Mar 2, 2003 3:34 PM
I am using Ultegra STIs, but I already switched my Touring Brakes to a extra set of Neo-retros that were sent to me by mistake, that (as luck would have it) I dragged my feet on returning. It is snowing today so I really can't tell if I like them better or not. However, I did try the Tektro mini Vs and did not like them. I am still a bummed out about the discs not being an option on the 01 Appy!
What are using for a fork?....TFerguson
Mar 6, 2003 3:28 PM
Your talking the 2002 Appelatian/Blue Ridge with Avid road discs, right? Who's fork? Others have worried about/suggested that a fork would flex enough to actually hit the down tube. Do you notice any flex? Please keep reporting on your absevations.
Thanks,
Terry
What are using for a fork?....Dan Cas
Mar 6, 2003 6:25 PM
I'm not sure if you are asking me or Henry K,so excuse me if I speak out of place.Litespeed never shipped a disc fork for the 02 AP.I have a Sandvic/Ti Sports/Mongoose ti frame with a cheap Dimension QBP disc specific fork.As this fork weighs 1025 grams,flex ain't an issue even at my 200 pounds.It flexes less than my Gunnar with Paul's,so that concern was allayed for me.Also,I've only ridden on the road,so braking forces are much higher there than they would be off road.

I plan to take some pics and post a little review here as soon as time allows.

Dan Cas
re: PAUL BRAKES. HELP!laffeaux
Mar 2, 2003 9:47 PM
I have neo retros on the front and rear of my bike. I recently talked to Paul Components about brake set up, and the cable needs to be high. The touring brake straddle cable should be run lower.

I'd not recommend the neo retro on the back. The issue for me is hitting my calf on the arms (and I do not have big calves). When I get back behind the seat I always hit the brake arms with my trailing calf. It's irritating enough that I'd gladly loose a little braking power and go with the touring model.

Look at this page and see the two brakes set up correctly.
http://www.paulcomp.com/canti.html