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Another shifter debateJakob
Dec 20, 2002 10:45 AM
Alright kiddies, it might be a little too early to start thinking about next year's race bike, but too bad. It's raining, I'm at work, and I want to spec my new ride.

Here's the deal. I want to be able to continue using all of my Shimano freehub-equipped wheels. I will be buying new deraileurs and shifters. What should I buy? Shimano Barcons? Campy Barcons? Campy Centaur Ergo? I am thinking I will shy away from Shimano STI this time around.
re: Another shifter debatemackgoo
Dec 20, 2002 10:47 AM
"My name is mackgoo and I'm a Campyholic" Get the Campy stuff.
Barconsadventurefind
Dec 20, 2002 10:56 AM
Or get the Shimano Barcons. Sooper easy to set up, and sooper easy to swap cables.
Barconsatpjunkie
Dec 20, 2002 11:11 AM
all the campyphiles will tell you to switch. I guess they don't read the parts about you wanting to retain some shimano stuff. Since I assume you, like me lack the money tree in the yard (I love my Campy road stuff and would switch if I had the few THOUSAND dollars lying around to re-equip 2 cx bikes but I live in San Diego where 2 bedroom 1 bath 1600 sq ft. houses go for $400,000!!! NOTE: this is the part they failed to mention in Bicycling when they chose SD as one of Americas top bike cities FURTHER NOTE: mean house price is $349,000, if ya want to live by the ocean yer pushin' 3/4 of a million.) so go with barcons. I have 2 and love them. easy to use CHEAP, take a heap of punishment and gunk. Plus extra retrogrouch luddite appeal.
extra bonus Friction shifting on the front der. so you can trim the fr. to eliminate any chain rub.
Good Luck and thanx (and sorry) for the rant.
Cool rant! NMadventurefind
Dec 20, 2002 12:01 PM
Cool rant! NM
Cool rant! Thanxatpjunkie
Dec 20, 2002 12:48 PM
oh yeah and I forgot what they refer to as the "sunshine tax" Basically in a nutshell, employers pay less for equivalent jobs here, as people will settle for less $ because they want to live here.
So high standard of living plus lower than average wages. If it wasn't so damn nice here I'd leave.....oh yeah that's the problem.
I have friends come out from all over the country and they see what $350,000 buys out here and they say "for that $ where I live you could own a mansion" then I have to remind them, "yeah but you don't see people going most of the places they live for vacation. They all come here where it's well...so damn nice."
oh well double edged swords.
Rants in my pantsJakob
Dec 20, 2002 1:07 PM
I already have barcons on bike 2 and I think I will go with barcons on bike 1. I actually like the barcon feel better than my 8 spd STI.

As for the housing thing, I am from the SF Bay Area and I have stories to make you shudder. How about the industrial area 680 sq ft house that was on the market for $285K, we offered $305K and it went for $350K!
Housnig and Cyclocrossadventurefind
Dec 20, 2002 1:31 PM
I see serious crossers as I see triathletes. Moderate incomes to keep up with the bikes, gear, etc.

The house we're interested in Wausau, WI, goes for 109K. Beautiful 2 story house from the early 1900's. Wood floors, french doors, bla bla bla...

THat same house here, wuold probably sell for half a million if its on the East Bay, and maybe 300K in Woodland or Davis. OUCH!

As for Barcons...you crash hard let's say, and you have to replace the STI lever/shifter. Given same scenario, you have the only replace the lever. Saving the shifter if it is a barcon.

Check out this comtraption I found on Ebay once. Ingenuity with a welding torch...
Why am I not surprised...The Walrus
Dec 20, 2002 7:48 PM
...that this was done to a Bridgestone?
Why am I not surprised...adventurefind
Dec 21, 2002 7:00 AM
I know...sorrow. When i saw that I churned...
Actually, I didn't find it inappropriate--The Walrus
Dec 21, 2002 1:51 PM
given the extreme retrogrouch aura surrounding Bridgestone, it seems to fit in pretty well (aside from the hideous effects on the frame's finish). If Grant Peterson ever saw those photos, I bet he'd grin....
Ingenuity with a welding torch... pt. 2adventurefind
Dec 20, 2002 1:33 PM
EEK! poor frame...
I feel yaatpjunkie
Dec 20, 2002 5:05 PM
at least in the Bay Area the pay is better. I'd make 10-15K more doing the same thing there as I do here in SD. I grew up there (Sonoma) and those prices have gone insane. My families home is valued near a million. (Bought for 39,500 in 1973). Oh well I should be happy in my 901 sq ft 379,000 home. I didn't have to wear pants until this week. I now need a sweatshirt to stay warm. at least it finally feels like cx season. our first 2 races (in Nov.) were held in 80 degree weather.
Thanx for the steam release all Merry Holidays
Barcons best in bad weatherrichpierce
Dec 21, 2002 5:59 PM
It doesn't matter if you've just laid the bike down in clay mud, whether your fingers are frozen or you're wearing mittens- you can shift with barcons. I just can't do that little finger thingy for STI under those conditions very effectively.

Plus they are cheap and I have never seen anyone wreck them w/o ending up in the hospital (they don't get wrecked unless you run over them with a semi).
re: Another shifter debateFarmpunker
Dec 20, 2002 1:14 PM
I've been thinking along the same lines, but without the barcon aspect. Look into the cassette section of the branfordbike website. I'm guessing that most people know this, but Wheels makes campy cassettes that fit Shimano hubs and a lot of other hubs, too. I believe there is a compatibility chart somewhere in there, too.
PS: Is it a sin to put used stuff on a slick new frame?
No, it's not a sinadventurefind
Dec 20, 2002 1:35 PM
No, it's not a sin, just use what you have and feel comfortable with. I went through a phase where I was swapping frames like people swap germs. All new frames, all older stuff. I have had my barcons on several bikes and the nice thing about them is that they are indestructible and so easy to maintain. I have had them since '96
re: Another shifter debate1x1 Speed Craig
Dec 21, 2002 2:17 AM
I vote for "None of the Above". Why not go single speed for the next year's 'cross bike? OK...I'm biased (look at my username), but it makes a lot of sense with all of the mud and gunk the sometimes come with 'cross races. It's also a lot cheaper.

Just ordered a custom Steelman Eurocross 525 w/Paul SS dropouts myself...can't wait to get it : )

If you *must* use shifters, I'd vote for Shimano bar cons.

Craig
My Biking Website
re: Another shifter debatehummu
Dec 21, 2002 8:25 PM
Okay, let's stop talking about housing and get back on topic. BTW, I moved from Vancouver to Calgary so my wife and I could buy a house, change careers, and have children . . . and afford it. Done! in about two years.

Want to do Campy and Shimano?

I'm running Campy 8s (shifters and derailleurs, but I don't think the derailleurs are necessary) shifting a Shimano 7s cassette. Talk about positive shifts. I mean it goes KA CHUNK, not the tiny snick that my Shimano 9s gave me. Personally I like that.

Want to get modern? How about Campy 10s shifting Shimano 9s? See . These guys do it on tandems. And if it works on tandems it should work on a single. Can't make any claims for mud though.

And then, thanks to Sheldon Brown, it seems that I can fit a 9s Shimano cassette on a 7s freehub body minus one cog. Then I can rebuild my Campy 8s shifters to 10s (which will shift the Shimano 9s, remember?). So I'll be shifting Campy 10s on a Shimano 9s cassette with 8 cogs.

Got that?
re: Another shifter debatedlbcx
Dec 23, 2002 8:15 AM
Changed over to Campy from Shimano in the middle of the season...crunched my shifter in a race. I asked Brent Steelman if I could use 9 spd Shimano wheels with Campy 9 spd stuff. He said that I wouldn't have any problems since this is the setup he uses. So, I bought the Campy shifters and rear der from him.
Getting the adjustment took a little time but it works pretty good. The only trouble is that I have to reteach myself since my other bikes are Shimano.

dlbcx