|Best story at NAT's......||cxfan|
Dec 16, 2002 11:31 AM
|The "C" race was the best. John Drake won (Red Rocks Velo)..Give it up to the CO racers this weekend. But he was not first across the line.
Some guy show's up in a World Champion jersey and he is on the front row. His name is Erik Teck, and he lives in Belgium and is the Under 35 world cyclocross champion. Since the idiots running the show (USCF) didn't allow him to race with his license and they would not allow him to race in AGE category, he raced the "C's" race.
How freakin fair is that? He motored through the mud (hell, he lives Belgium) and had a one minute lead on the field after the first lap.
Give it up to the officals to just drop people in the field. This is the US Cyclocross National Championships. The weren't letting Frishy or Lynn Bassette race, so why the hell would they let this guy in?
Serious questions need to be addressed after this weekend with the USCF and who's rules are running this race (uscf or uci)
|This officially makes the weekend a debacle. NM||Jakob|
Dec 16, 2002 11:35 AM
|re: Best story at NAT's......||adventurefind|
Dec 16, 2002 11:40 AM
Anyone can rce at our Toasted Head races: http://www.toastedhead.com/race.html
It doesn't matter if you're from Mars. You can race here. I even let Blake, a Jr. without a cross bike, ride my Gunnar.
Dec 16, 2002 11:58 AM
|Officials and promoters could care less about Mens Cs. Last year at Baltimore I overheard Richard Fries and an official joke "who cares" when asked about staging of the Mens Cs.
I was in the CycleOps tent waiting to take a lap during the Mens C race and thought it was odd to see that Belgium guy demolish the Cs and wondered what the story was.
In reality Mens B and C aren't championship categories at Nats and are probably there due to demand and for revenue generation to offset the less populated categories.
Dec 16, 2002 12:12 PM
|I agree that the B's and C's are not championship events and shouldn't be. But this also means they shouldn't be subject to the same rules. Most of the race promoters here in NorCal seem to have enough brains to understand this and as a result don't toss people after a couple of laps. These are the guys I'll be giving my money to in the future. Screw Galeforce and the USCF.|
|they shouldn't be raced ?||climbo|
Dec 16, 2002 12:18 PM
|In order to have a "PROPER" Nationals race they should not have B or C races then. Maybe the Nationals should be ONLY Elites, U23, and age group title events. That way there is no argument, and no sandbagging.
If I'm not mistaken, MTB and Road World's don't offer non-championship races. So if you don't race Elite you have the choice of your age group.
Dec 16, 2002 12:25 PM
|I think CX is growing up a bit in the US and we experienced some serious growing pains this weekend. USCF is obviously uninterested in grassroots racing and they should either stay away from it completely by not having Bs and Cs at Nationals or they should embrace it and add another category or at least limiting field sizes so that those who do sign up have a legitimate shot of finishing the race.|
|Yeah, how about no scoring or pulling...||tihipscrew|
Dec 16, 2002 12:27 PM
|since it's just B's and C's, and you go round and round and if you feel good about yrself at the end of it all then WE ALL WIN! :)|
|they shouldn't be raced ?||atpjunkie|
Dec 16, 2002 12:27 PM
|or do them the day before. this way people will show to race and spectate. I think that's what they tried but to poor results|
|I agree w/this, too.||Jakob|
Dec 16, 2002 12:32 PM
|I left immediately after my race because I was so pissed. I didn't stick around to cheer or buy food or bike parts or anything. And I love watching bike races!|
|I agree w/this, too.||flyweight|
Dec 16, 2002 12:37 PM
|I went beyond that. I tore off my number, wadded it up and threw it back at the officials at the start/finish line. They were seriously NOT amused by my protest and started yelling at me but my attitude was "If you reject me, I'll reject you right back"|
|Some guys jumped back in.||Jakob|
Dec 16, 2002 12:46 PM
|Terry Tenette jumped right back in. I thought about it, but by this time I had already hosed off my bike and myself and was freezing. I actually heard them announce his name as he came by the start. The announcers totally treated him like the (BMX) star he is, but the officials pulled him with the rest of us.|
|they shouldn't be raced ?||flyweight|
Dec 16, 2002 12:35 PM
|I agree with atpjunkie in that they should have all non-championship races the day before the title races. Would be interesting to see how other nations run it.
Overall, I've never been a fan of the USCF. All the USCF seems to care about is the Olympics (hence their disregard for cross while continuing to fund track racing)
|that might be an idea||climbo|
Dec 16, 2002 12:54 PM
|but you'll still have the same problems in the B and C races. And you might need 3 days to run all the events.
You have men and women in all age groups from 12 or 13 years old up to 55+ and 2 Elite races. To have them all run properly you have to run most of them separately. If there were no B or C races, the numbers in the age groups would be a little more than usual.
|Apparent conflict of interest||eurochien|
Dec 16, 2002 1:49 PM
|I was not at the race, but from this discussion and others, it really sounds like the promoter and the USCF screwed most low to intermediate amateur categories. For a sport that's supposed to be as grass-roots as they come, it's a shame. Suggestions that Nationals should just be for either age-groups or Elite are very valid. Sounds like the lower categories were used as the main source of revenue for the more "important" events. What a warm and fuzzy feeling it must be to contribute to the sport in that way. I feel sorry for all those who went there hoping to have a good 'cross time and ended up with a bitter taste in their mouths. That just sucks.
Dec 16, 2002 12:11 PM
|I once had to race against Carl Swenson as a Cat 4. USCF made him race as a cat 5 despite the fact that he was a full ride K2 sponsored mtb pro. He seemed very nice, it was not his fault at all. In the break with 2 to go he just looked over and said "Uh, I'm gonna go now, is that cool?". Then he disappeared over the horizon. Of course, it was a much smaller profile event.|| |