|Spooky vs. Froglegs vs. Paul Neo-Retros???||1x1 Speed Craig|
Dec 9, 2002 7:45 AM
|Can anyone who has tried at least two of these types of brakes explain to me what the pros/cons are comparitively? They all look to have basically the same type of high-leverage design, with varying prices (the Pauls being considerably more expensive than the other two).
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|re: Spooky vs. Froglegs vs. Paul Neo-Retros???||flyweight|
Dec 9, 2002 9:08 AM
|I've got the Froglegs on my Colnago and the Paul brakes on my Gunnar. Both work great but the Paul's are definitely easier to set up. Of all the cantis I've worked with the Paul's are definitely the best to work on. They use threaded V-brake style pads and have a pretty good range of vertical adjustment.|
|re: Spooky vs. Froglegs vs. Paul Neo-Retros???||rickbr|
Dec 9, 2002 9:24 AM
|I have Paul Neo-Retros on the front and Paul touring Canti's on the back of my Steelman. They work very well and are easy to set up. Paul brakes are very well made (machined very well), I have tried they two others you mentioned but have about all the rest of the canti's out there and Paul's are by far the best. One that is interesting is the Strange Brakes sort of a V-brake design that doesn't require the long pull of a V-brake. but they are $$$. |
|re: Spooky vs. Froglegs vs. Paul Neo-Retros???||atpjunkie|
Dec 9, 2002 11:57 AM
|Have Spooky's and Paul (CNC's) vintage. Pauls are great. you pray for the handwork and craftsmanship. Spooky's (like Froggleggs and Paul Retro's) all based on old Mafac design. They are all great, Paul's have mentioned benefits but at a price. Love my Spooky's.|
|Main difference - adjustability||BipedZed|
Dec 9, 2002 12:10 PM
|I run Paul Touring Cantis front and rear on my Eurocross. Don't have any personal experience with Spooky or Empella but know many who have them. The Paul brakes (Neo or Touring) are much easier to setup due to the adjustability of the spring tension and pads. Paul cantis use V-brake type pads with the conical washers that allow height/angle/toe-in adjustment. You can go one step further and get cartridge V pad holders and then you'll only have to set them up once. The spring tension is adjustable with a 15mm box wrench for easy brake centering.
I believe the Spooky/Empella/Grumpys are non-adjustable and involve bending the brake itself for fine tuning.
As an aside the Paul touring cantis are PLENTY of brake for cross racing. I can't imagine why the Neo-Retros are needed unless you're on a touring bike screaming downhill with 100lbs of gear in panniers.