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105 / MA3 combination for 'cross...memphistrials
Dec 2, 2002 3:47 PM
Yeah, it's me... The wheel guy again. =)

I found a pair of Shimano 105 / Mavic MA3 wheels in my price range.

How do the 105 hubs and the MA3 rims hold up for light off road use?

Thanks again for your help! I know I ask a LOT of questions on here, but I don't know much about this stuff...
re: 105 / MA3 combination for 'cross...TWD
Dec 2, 2002 4:13 PM
No worries, you can't get anwers and learn stuff if you don't ask questions right?

The 105 hubs are fine, and I haven't heard of any major complaints about the MA3 rims (don't know anyone using them though). Build quality is the key though. If they are machine built wheels they won't be as durable as a good handbuilt wheelset. Seems like the 105/MA3 combo was a common OEM spec, so they may be machine built wheels. You might want to check.

In general, you can find machine built wheels cheaper than buying the same parts and building them up yourself, and for sure a lot cheaper than having a professional wheelbuilder or LBS do it. In the end you won't end up with as nice a wheel.

Every once in a while I'll see a really good deal on a set of machine built wheels and think, hmmmm could just buy it and retension it myself. I haven't tried it though, you never now what stresses your put on the spokes by doing a rebuild like that.

Sorry about all these long posts, I'm feeling overly wordy today for some reason. Ok, so I'm procrastinating something I'm not looking forward to doing at work.
re: 105 / MA3 combination for 'cross...atpjunkie
Dec 2, 2002 4:23 PM
MA3 is a good rim. A bit stronger (and heavier) than the O/P.
If you get a good deal buy 2 sets so you have back up for race day
re: 105 / MA3 combination for 'cross...memphistrials
Dec 2, 2002 4:23 PM
Well, the ad claims they are handbuilt, and they are from a reputable company, so I assume they're telling the truth.

I couldn't quite tell what lacing pattern was used... 2x or 3x. How big of a difference would it make as far as their durability? I've got an e-mail into them now, so hopefully I'll know soon.

Sorry if I am keeping you from work... =)
re: 105 / MA3 combination for 'cross...B2
Dec 2, 2002 4:46 PM
I'll take a guess and say you're looking at the 105/MA3 wheelset from Jenson for $99. Let us know what type lacing pattern they use. You would think it would be 3x, but then again...

Good Luck,
Bryan
re: 105 / MA3 combination for 'cross...TWD
Dec 2, 2002 10:32 PM
Wow, if they are handbuilt like they claim that's a great deal. I've had pretty good luck dealing with Jenson in the past, assuming that's where you're looking.

As for lacing patterns, I always stick to 3X, and run 32 hole with DT Competition 14/15/14 DB spokes and brass nipples. Not the lightest all around, but very durable.

If your a heavier more powerful rider, 3X is a good choice. You might want to stay away from something like a 28 hole 2x drive side, radial non-drive type rear wheel setup unless your a featherweight.

I took a look at the add from Jenson, and it looks like the rear wheel is definetly 3x both sides. Harder to tell on the front wheel, but lookes like it might be 2x, which is fine up front. From the spec they list, I'm assuming they're probably running straight 14G spokes, since they don't list them as anything else. Durable once a gain.

Probably not a bad wheelset, especially at that price. If you get 'em, just pay attention to the trueness after the first couple of rides. If they're properly tensioned and stress relieved, they should stay true and you shouldn't hear a whole lot of pinging when you first ride them. A little is OK.

If they ping a lot and or go really out of true, you'll probably want to have that friend of yours take a look at em to check the tension and retrue them. Hopefully he can show you the finer points of truing wheels to.

You just down want to keep riding a wheel that where the tension isn't high enough or is really uneven. Looser spokes tend to flex alot and will weaken over time and break (think of bendng a paper clip back and forth a few times till it breaks).

I'm not trying to scare ya, just trying to help you avoid some of the common problems that shorten a wheels life. A little attention to detail, and you can get a great wheelset for $99 and make 'em last.

There I go again rambling on and on and on.

I'll go back and sit in my corner now.
re: 105 / MA3 combination for 'cross...The Walrus
Dec 2, 2002 5:07 PM
That's what Bianchi spec'd on the '00/'01 Axis, and they've held up well under my not-so-gentle use; I've probably got about 700-800 miles on them, and they've never gone out of true.
we've got problemsatpjunkie
Dec 2, 2002 5:55 PM
that's a hell of a deal. you know you've got the disease when someone mentions a wheelset and guys can guess which dealer their coming from. We need to start a bikeanon.
Lord help Us, we can't control ourselves
Hey now, pipe downTWD
Dec 2, 2002 10:04 PM
If my wife hears about this bike-anon thingy I'm in for it. Oh wait, there's a knock at the door........who are these guys with the straight jackets.........aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

Just kidding though, she loves to ride too. She even did 2 cross races this year. Almost had a fight about it until we found a baby sitter so we could both race the same day.
Hey now, pipe downatpjunkie
Dec 3, 2002 12:50 PM
is 2 road bikes, 2 cx bikes, and a mountain bike and a half too much?????? Trust me, I'm well over the edge. At least we don't have to pay fees to ride like golfers.
Too much??????The Walrus
Dec 3, 2002 4:33 PM
5.5 bikes is definitely not over the edge--when you start reckoning them in the dozens, THEN you're in trouble.

I wonder if that had anything to do with my girlfriend leaving....
Dozens, I don't have the space??atpjunkie
Dec 3, 2002 5:47 PM
can I add my vintage cruiser collection too? Those are stored at the 'rents. Thanx I feel a little better. Maybe I'll rebuild that hardtail afterall.........
105 / MA3 follow up info!memphistrials
Dec 3, 2002 4:43 PM
I got the e-mail back from JensonUSA today.

They are laced in a 3x pattern, both wheels.

I've got a pair on the way to me. =)

Thanks to everyone for all their info and help.
FWIW....Steve_O
Dec 4, 2002 6:28 AM
I picked up a pair of QBP built MA3/Deore wheels for myself over the summer. I have beat them pretty hard with no problems. Daily commuting with rough roads and 3-4 miles of singletrack.

No problems...