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Avid 6 Shorty's - SQUEAL(10 posts)

Avid 6 Shorty's - SQUEALJCLINE
Nov 26, 2002 6:18 AM
Does anyone know a remedy to minimize or eliminate the loud squeal (howl) that comes from the front brake.

The posts are greased, pads are sanded, I have tried pads flat against the rim and toed in slightly.

The rims are Mavic Open Pros CD's (finish mostly worn away).
Bike is only about 3 weeks old.
Welcome to the club...The Walrus
Nov 26, 2002 10:40 AM
One possible problem is excessive "slop" due to overly long posts. I had a Jake where the tip of the posts projected nearly 1/16" beyond the cantis, and the play that caused contributed to the screech. I found some paper-thin brass shims that slipped over the end of the posts, 2 per brake, and they virtually eliminated all of the howling.
re: Avid 6 Shorty's - SQUEALEric Marshall
Nov 26, 2002 10:56 AM
I bought new brakes :-) No complaints about my new Frogglegs so far!
re: welcome to the clubatpjunkie
Nov 26, 2002 1:42 PM
there's been a ton of posts. do a search. Toe In helps. Also I've found that making the lever a bit 'softer' in it's throw helps as well. It doesn't put the brake into full howling rim squeeze and gives a better modulation feel. I'm switching mine to Spooky's anyway.
Switch to Spooky'stihipscrew
Nov 26, 2002 3:08 PM
I've got these, and I don't think I'd recommend them. Perhaps this years model is better tho. Ask me this weekend, I'll show you why I say this. You're in CO, right? I lose track of people's "handles". I'm Tom from VC/MB.
Switch to Spooky'satpjunkie
Nov 26, 2002 3:29 PM
lemme know. Actually I'm in Sunny Southern Cal. Would like any info.
Switch to Spooky'stihipscrew
Nov 26, 2002 8:22 PM
Doh! The internet shrinks the world again.

I got my Spookys last year; I don't know if they've changed at all. That said, the set-up process for mine was very poor. They can not be toed-in, you must bend the post/sand the pads. Boy, did I get tired of sanding. A grinding wheel would have been nice. The posts of my brake pads were extremely difficult to get into one of the canti arms. Much prying and twisting was involved. The spring tensions were all over the place, VERY non-uniform. I bent them as necessary, but I actually have one of the springs set to a different hole on the post compared to the other 3. And the rim clearance is still a little cock-eyed. The arms have no brass bushings as all other cantis that I've seen have, just nice soft cnc'd Al. So far, no excessive play has developed though. The nuts which set the posts in the arms are very soft Al too, so BE CAREFUL. Make sure your wrench has nice wide flats. All this makes it sound like I hate these brakes, which I do not! They are v. light. They stop me adequately for racing. The mud clearance was good this past weekend. They do look cool, but this is something I put little stock in. Oh yeah, I like the straddle cable hanger design, it is very easy to adjust and set up (2 or 2.5 mm pinch bolt). My old brakes were LX cantis, and there is a lot to said for them, they worked great. I don't regret Spookys, but knowing what I know now, I would keep the LX's and save the $.

The sweetest cantis I've seen are the Pauls, but of course, the $! I got the complete Spooky set up, both wheels, for $75 (not including pads), but that was at VeloSwap, not regular retail.
Switch to Spooky'satpjunkie
Nov 27, 2002 11:41 AM
got my spooky's for 55 bones not bad. My other bike has the old CNC'd Paul MTB Cantis and these brakes rock. I'll be careful installing the spooky's. thanx for the pointers, maybe I'll use different bolts. I'll let ya know.
I never need a horn!Steve_O
Nov 26, 2002 4:35 PM
I just tap my brakes...

Seriously... I've been through Kool Stops, Ritcheys, and special compound Avid pads with no letup (e-mail Avid and they'll hook you up with the YehStar soft compound pads - I have had the best experiences with them)... Nothing seems to completely stop the squeal though...

My only advice would be to run TONs of toe-in and switch pads on a regular basis... I've got the Shorty Ti's which are pretty swank but I have often thought about putting them on eBay for this very reason...
I never need a horn! I thought I was the only oneatpjunkie
Nov 26, 2002 5:19 PM
Louder than a trail bell. tends to scare the hell out of hikers though.
have those pads, they help for a while. Avid has sweet customer service and I hope thefigure this out.