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Steelman Eurocross feedback needed1x1 Speed Craig
Nov 13, 2002 9:02 AM

I'm looking seriously at getting a custom Steelman Eurocross 525 with Paul SS dropouts and 135mm spacing for SS/fixed riding.

For those of you who ride a Eurocross, what are your thoughts? Things you like/dislike?

Also, I'm looking at a 55cm model (57mm TT) with a slight head tube extension based on a conversation I had with Brent Steelman. I'm 6'0" tall and currently ride a 58cm Surly Cross-check (but I'm using a +40-degree/100mm stem to get the right combination of rise and reach. Does the 55cm size sound about right (I'm assuming it is, coming from Brent)? I'd like to use a maximum 15-degree-rise stem rather than a 40-degree like I'm using now.


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re: Steelman Eurocross feedback neededclimbo
Nov 13, 2002 9:10 AM
without checking the specifics, the 55cm sounds right to me. I am the same height as you and ride a Specialized 56cm frame with a 57tt. Brent knows his stuff so if you want less rise in the stem but want it a little higher, the extension on the HT sounds like the right idea.

As for the Steelman frames, I don't have one but the ones I seen are awesome and I have only heard great things about them. The Clif Bar team is on them this year and they look sweet !! Should be an awesome SS cross bike.
re: Steelman Eurocross feedback needed1x1 Speed Craig
Nov 13, 2002 2:13 PM
Thanks for the sizing info, climbo!

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No feedback on Steelman, but...SS_MB-7
Nov 13, 2002 10:29 AM
No feedback on Steelman, but everything I've read about Steelman indicates he makes kick-ass bikes! I would not hesistate in getting one if I was looking for a beautiful steel frame.

However, will he do EBBs? The reason I ask is because your frame specs sound identical to my new SS cross/fixed-gear bike; however, I opted for an EBB instead of SS dropouts. Granted, the Paul dropouts will eliminate wheel slippage in the dropouts. But, you still need to deal with adjusting your brakes, etc. The EBB eliminates fiddling with your brakes, wheel slippage, etc.

FWIW, I been racing/riding my SS cross for ~3 months and it has been flawless! When I need to, I can simply flip the rear flip-flop hub (Phil Wood) to go fixed-gear on the road, adjust the EBB for the new gear ratio, swap the tires and I'm off.

Ride Hard,
Mike B.
No feedback on Steelman, but...1x1 Speed Craig
Nov 13, 2002 11:15 AM

No surprise about the EBB recommendation (I've read a lot of your posts on the MTBR SS forum). I didn't ask about the EBB, but I would guess they could probably do it. I have the Paul dropouts on my Soulcraft, though, and have never had a problem with slippage, brake pad adjustment, etc.

Maybe I'll ask Brent about the EBB when I call back.


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I'm that transparent, eh?...SS_MB-7
Nov 13, 2002 11:32 AM
Ah well. You know my feelings on EBBs. But, if you've had great experiences with the Paul drops, then stick with those. Lighter and more traditional than an EBB. EBBs are primarily for discs, but I liked my EBB so much on my MTB, I asked for it on my SS cross/fixed-gear even though I'm not using discs.

Ride Hard,
Mike B.
Steelman Eurocross -- Great choice!Dale Brigham
Nov 13, 2002 10:57 AM

I just happen to have a brand-spanking new Eurocross (EC) 525 frame/fork in a 55 cm size sitting on the carpet at home in Persimmon Sparkle (orange) splendor. Got it last week from Brent, and it's prettier than I had imagined it would be. The welds are so smooth that the frame looks like it was fillet brazed. The powder coating looks like fine lacquer paint. You will not be anything but happy to have a Steelman.

I'm awaiting a couple of parts before I can build it and ride, so I can't tell you what that's like yet (I'm expecting great things!). I will, however, hazard to comment on the frame size you have chosen. Having looked at your 58 cm. Surly photo on your website, I'm inclined to urge you to consider going for the 57 cm EC frame.

That, is, unless you feel the 58.5 cm top tube on the 57 cm EC will be too long. I select my frames based on top tube length, period. Everything else to me is far down the list. If you are not tied (welded?) to a 57 cm top tube, then please read on.

I'm as couple of inches shorter than you (5'10" with 33.5" inseam), and I share your concern about getting the bars/stem up high enough (Brent cut the steerer long and sent lots of spacers on my 55 cm EC 525). With your greater body height (and inseam length, I'd presume), even with the head tube extension on the 55 cm size frame, you still might not make it up tall enough for your liking. It appears, from the Surly photo on your website, that you like your bar and saddle to be at about the same level. I like about 40 mm (1.5") of drop from my saddle to bar, and like I said, I'm a bit concerned about stem "spacer stack" on my 55 cm EC 525.

All that said, if Brent Steelman says to get the 55, then get the 55. I'd trust his judgement. I don't mean to muddy the waters, Craig. I'm sure that, working with Brent, you will get a super frame. Please let us all know how it works out, OK?

All the Best,

Steelman Eurocross -- Great choice!1x1 Speed Craig
Nov 13, 2002 11:12 AM

Thanks for the info. I'm actually leaning toward the Persimmon Sparkle color, too, so I'm really envious of you right now : ) Please post photos when you get the bike built up...I'd love to see them.

My Cross-check is actually set up a little differently now (I'm running it single speed, and I lost the Zoom Head-Up in favor of the 40-degree/100mm stem I mentioned). The top of the bars is now about 3cm lower than the saddle (lower than in the photo you saw). I figure that the effective reach of the stem is more like 70-80mm (just a guess), which seems pretty short compared with the stems I see most people running on 'cross bikes (100-120mm). Brent seemed to think that my Cross-check was a little too big for me.

I'll double-check my inseam when I get home. Before I talked with Brent, I took all of the measurements that he details on his website.

Thanks again, and please post a ride report as soon as you get a chance.

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You will love itSabine
Nov 13, 2002 2:27 PM
but I think I already told you that.

You will love it1x1 Speed Craig
Nov 13, 2002 3:42 PM
Yeah, Sabine, I thought I might run across you on this forum, too. I'm guessing that I'm going to get the same "You will love it" impression from everyone who owns a Eurocross (and maybe even some who don't).

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There are several Steelman in our cross photos: Including this shot of a rider borrowing a Eurocross (525 by the way)and riding it for the first time. Look at her smile! The bunny hopping pic is of the current 35-39 Nat Champ. He rides like this all the time, and hasn't busted one yet. Thats gotta count for something too.Sabine
Nov 13, 2002 4:21 PM
Thanks for more sweet photos! (nm)1x1 Speed Craig
Nov 14, 2002 1:56 AM
Thanks for more sweet photos! (nm)Sabine
Nov 14, 2002 9:29 AM
Glad you could decipher that mangled post. I didn't type all that in the subject line and how it got there is beyond me. Good thing I didn't write a novel sized post!