|Atac vs. Egg Beater||Max11|
Nov 7, 2002 10:57 PM
|I ride with time atac pedals but hear all the good things people are saying about the crank bros. egg beater pedals. Thinking about maybe making a switch. Is it worth it or should I stay with the atacs. Help!|
|re: Atac vs. Egg Beater||climbo|
Nov 8, 2002 5:05 AM
|I'm in the same boat as you. I briefly tried a friends egg beaters last weekend and I'm convinced that they will be awesome for my MTB. They shed mud unbelievably well. I was a little worried about the "small platform" issue for cross so I'm going to ride them on my MTB for a while and then maybe next season I'll switch to them on my cross bike also.
I hear great things about them, they feel very solid and seem hard to break. Easy to clip in to once you get used to it and, the MUD shedding factor is the biggest seller for me.
|This might help...||SS_MB-7|
Nov 8, 2002 5:53 AM
|Here's a posting from the "General" board at MTBR.com I posted on Oct 24. Below it, is another posting from Oct 29. Both of these should give you some useful information.
FWIW, I'm not using Eggs on my 'cross and 959s on my MTB.
Oct 24 Post:
I used ATACs for 5yrs, Eggs for ~1yr and now I'm going to 959s.
At the time I went to ATACs 5 yrs ago, I was so frustrated with performance of my 747s in mud, snow, ice, etc. that I had to try something new. I was either locked-in or locked-out. ATACs alleviated this. They are easy-in, easy-out no matter the conditions. However, I did have problems with my ATACs.
The inboard bearings on the ATACs (be it the Titans or Carbons) developed side-to-side play very early. Also, I cracked numerous bodies and have also cracked 2 of the cleat clips.
Last winter, I decided to a set of EggBeaters. They are light (283g/pair vs 405g/pair for the ATAC Carbons and 360g/pair for the Titans) and very, very easy to get into and out of. I find them to be the easiest pedal for entry/exit. With 4 sides to enter from, it's a no-brainer -- just slam your foot down and you are in!
Unlike some riders, I have not experienced "hot-spots" from the tiny pedal platform and have no problems with pedaling while not engaged. However, I have had several severe issues with regards to the Eggs....each was quickly warrantied by Crank Bros.
First, I've cracked a pairs of cleats. When it happened, I thought it strange because I was pretty sure I had properly torqued the bolts, so I considered it a fluke. However, after looking closely at the cleat design and the failure, I emailed CB with my findings and they immediately mailed me 2 new pairs of cleats (same design). In my opinion, the cleat had a design flaw in that it had a space/void/gap on the underside of it such that when the bolts were tightened, the void collapsed and allowed the cleat to deform. After a couple hard rides, the cleats eventually cracked.
So, I installed my new cleats and made sure to properly torque the bolts. The cleats were fine for several months, but wore very quickly (~2 months). Then during a pre-ride before a race, my right pedal completely separated from the spindle. Upon examining the failure, it was apparent that the outboard bearing had completely desintigrated leaving the pedal in two separate pieces: the body and the spindle! Obviously, I missed the race (grrr!) and emailed CB as soon as I got home. They quickly mailed me a new pair of pedals with a re-designed spindle/seal to prevent contamination of the bearing.
These new pedals have been much better than the first, but have started to develop a slight amount of side-to-side play.
Unfortunately, during a night group ride with some buddies, I cracked yet another set of cleats! These cleats failed in the exact same manner as the first (as one would expect since they were the same design and had the same design flaw). I emailed CB yet again and they indicated that they had made some changes to the cleats and quickly sent me 3 new sets of the new cleats. These new cleats are completely flat against the sole of shoe, with the exception of some dots to bite into the sole. I don't expect to have any more cleat problems due to the new design.
Lastly, as of recently, my right shoe has become very, very sloppy on the pedal. From what I can tell, it's attributed to the fact that the EggBeater cleat bars really dig into the base of the sole fore and aft of the cleat....FWIW, ATACs do the same thing. With more riding, these ridges are becoming deeper and deeper. This means that the cleat bars are sitting further and further away from the actual cleat. This is causing excess slop in the interface.
So, to make a long story short, CB's customer service is incredible! But, unfortunately, I can't trust my Eggs anymore. I race Expert XC and need to be able to trust me equipment. As such
|How many miles a week are you riding?||chrisjohn02|
Nov 8, 2002 8:32 AM
|Sounds like you are riding them into the ground.|
|Well, I'm only 135lbs....||SS_MB-7|
Nov 8, 2002 11:35 AM
|Well, I'm only 135lbs, but I do race/ride/train frequently, and as my signature implies, I do ride hard.
The majority of my racing/riding/training is MTB (I race Expert XC). During the season, I typically race twice a week and ride at least 2-3 times in addition to the races for training/fun.
Now that the MTB season is over, my racing focus has turned to 'cross, but I'm still MTB'ing 2-3 times per week. I race 'cross once per week with the odd 'cross ride during the week for training. Tuesday's are night MTB rides and Saturday's 2-3 hr epic rides.
Obviously, weather conditions play a factor in the wear-n-tear of bearings, cleats, etc as well as entry/exit issues. For the most part, summer is dry, spring/fall is wet-n-muddy, and winter is snowy and icy.
|here's my second post from Oct 29...||SS_MB-7|
Nov 8, 2002 11:23 AM
|I'm not sure what happened to my previous post since it was supposed to include my post from Oct 29. At any rate, here is it
Oct 29 Post:
I just finished 2 back-to-back 'cross races (a time trial and a race) on my 959s and Eggs.
For the 3 warm-up laps and TT, I used the 959s but after jamming them up on the TT, I quickly pulled them off and replaced them with my Eggs for the second race.
Perhaps it was a combination of the slick and sticky mud, leaves and the forced dismounts and running, but I had some severe entry/exit issues with the 959s that forced me back to the Eggs for the second race.
The second race consists of 6 laps on the same course as the TT and the Eggs performed flawlessly despite the mud, leaves, etc. For nasty conditions, the Eggs are hands-down the winner followed by ATACs.
Curiously enough, I noticed several other racers with 959s and each was having similar problems. Unfortunately for them, they didn't have the option of swapping pedals.
|re: Atac vs. Egg Beater||Eric Marshall|
Nov 8, 2002 7:12 AM
|I switched to Egg Beaters this season and am happy with the results so far. I used the ATACs for a year and was never happy with the ease of entry. I am with the Egg Beaters though.|
|re: Atac vs. Egg Beater||Max11|
Nov 8, 2002 11:48 AM
|I also have a question about the float on the egg beaters. I have a bad knee and someone said that the eggs don't have much float. Would it give someone with knee aches any problems? How does the float on the eggs compare to the atacs. BTW, thanks for all the great responses from all of you. I'm almost convinced about making the switch but need a little more pushing before I make the jump.|
|This should pretty much answer your float questions...||SS_MB-7|
Nov 8, 2002 12:13 PM
|Click here for a float comparison chart (as well as weights, etc.) of Time ATACs vs EggBeaters vs Shimano.
In summary, Eggs have 6 degrees of float vs 8 with Shimano vs 10 for ATACs.
|eggs and ATACs||atpjunkie|
Nov 8, 2002 5:54 PM
|my only qualm with the beaters is the small platform. Not for the hot spots, but when I'm sucking wind on the fourth or fifth lap and have to remount and ride down a grassy off camber section. I feel like I'm standing on golfballs not engaged. Times have enough platform to ride free for me (I have a size 13, that's 48 to you Euros shoe) I just don't feel stable enough on the eggs. I should give them another try, maybe they will be so easy to engage I won't need to ride disengaged at all.|| |