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Question about Red Rocks cyclocross seriesCarl Mega
Nov 7, 2002 10:46 AM
Previously, I've heard that registration is $5 but now I've heard it's more like $18. Anyone know which it is?

I may sound like a cheap-skate but this is my first cross race and the prospect of spending $20 to ride for a scant 45 minutes isn't too appealling.

thanks.
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross serieseurochien
Nov 7, 2002 11:55 AM
Well you'd better get used to the feeling of paying 18 bucks for 45 minutes of racing because that's what it is. You must not be too familiar with racing in general because there is no way a race promoter would put on any event with a 5-buck entry fee. They might as well pay you to race. How much did you pay for your bike?
l'eurochien
Since this is a nasty response..Carl Mega
Nov 7, 2002 12:27 PM
I don't think I will get used to it. I've done a bit of racing but not much. I do pick my events. Single Speed World Championships - $20 nets you 37 mi, free beer, free T-shirt, schwag and dinner. I also like some of the grass roots 24 hr solo/endurance races - over 100mi for well under $100. Non-Norba trials events. Etc. I won't race Norba. I won't pay the USCF. I *was* hoping that cross was low-key enough that the 'promoters' were puting on races just to cover costs. Pipe dream? Maybe but $5 is the number told to me. I'm sorry you feel devalued because I'm not willing to spend 20 bucks on 45 minutes of racing. My personal value system says it's not appealing it to 'me' - it doesn't reflect on you. I have my reasons.

How much was my bike? Well, my so-called cross bike is a 86' Trek set up as a single speed using all recycled parts. My $18 race fee is more than I've put into the bike over the last 2 years. I'm sure over the 17 years of riding I put on it, my per mile cost is about .00002. I ride it everyday and have a great time. So tell me, what is the *cost* of your bike?
Since this is a nasty response..eurochien
Nov 7, 2002 12:41 PM
Glad you enjoy off the beaten path events. Good for you. You have to realize that promoting a race, esp. a cross race, requires securing a venue (costs money), getting a permit and insurance through a sanctioning organization such as ACA or USCF (costs money), paying referrees (costs money), printing fliers (costs money), securing an on-site EMT (costs money) and getting a bunch of people to work on the course before the event, during the race (registration) and breaking down the course. I get annoyed by people who ride expensive bikes and bitch about entry fees. Apparently this may not apply to you but you need to understand that a $5 entry fee is completely unrealistic around here without major financial backup, hence making local cyclo-cross events pretty much grass roots and the entry fee barely cover expenses. No promoter is gonna retire to Hawaii after putting on a cyclocross race. My cx bike cost me about 2 grand. Peace, forget about the money and give it a try.
2 grand for a bike!!!BrokenSpoke
Nov 7, 2002 10:06 PM
Two thousand dollars for a bike! Is this the same bike you have ripped the rear derailleur off twice in the last month? Can you get your money back??? Wow.
2 grand for a bike!!!eurochien
Nov 8, 2002 7:22 AM
Frame/fork = 600
Group (w/saddle, seatpost, canti brakes, etc) = about 1,000
Wheels/tires = 400
Breaking my 1998 Chorus derailleur has nothing to do with how much I paid for the bike, shit happens! Actually the frame did its job since the repleacable derailleur hanger broke in those two instances (instead of the frame itself, not even out of alignment). I don't think 2 grand for a race bike is outrageous. Sure some people may spend less and have better results, but for me it's a passion thing. If I have the money I'll get nice stuff.
l'eurochien
2 grand for a bike!!!BrokenSpoke
Nov 8, 2002 8:08 AM
Sorry, I didn't realize it was a maintenance thing. You know, there are several good books out on how to work on your bike as well as the local bike shop. Have you thought about letting someone else work on your bike? Might have better luck and a higher finish percentage.
ouchPack Meat
Nov 8, 2002 9:02 AM
that's gotta hurt
oucheurochien
Nov 8, 2002 9:16 AM
only a little...
Bike maintenance 101eurochien
Nov 8, 2002 10:22 AM
Thanks for the great tips, Mr. BrokenSpoke. With each blunder that I make though, I learn more and never repeat the same mistake. If I let someone else fix my bike every time I have a mechanical issue, I'll never learn a thing and will never be self-reliant. Plus there are some things that you just can't control (sticks in derailleurs, for example). Happens to the best (Gully rolling a tubie, Groenendal busting a derailleur, etc., these guys have TEAMS of mechanics working for them and still drop out of races because of mechanicals). So there.
l'eurochien
Bike maintenance 101BrokenSpoke
Nov 8, 2002 11:49 AM
Once again, my apologies. As you state it is not the frame that is not the problem, nor is it your maintenance skills as I am sure you have learned a lot with your many mishaps. Therefore it must be your riding skills which need work. Sticks in the derailluer?? Tsk, tsk. You need to watch were you are going. There are many fine cyclocross camps available. Probably a fine investment in your case. Anger management might be another as I have seen how you treat your bike after a mechanical.
Bike maintenance 101eurochien
Nov 8, 2002 12:06 PM
who? me? you have me confused with someone else... Mr. Hyde.
Carl, what race ever costs $5climbo
Nov 7, 2002 12:42 PM
if cross races were 10 hours long would that be any better for you? I suggest you find out what it costs to make a cross race (or any other race) happen. Just to rent 1 porta-loo for a day costs about $100. Unless you can get lots of sponsors and a free venue it costs MONEY. Venues, officials, insurance, ambulances etc. are not free. Plus, people want prize money for the top/elite races. Was there any prize money at SS Worlds? I bet there wasn't.

So do you ride/walk/catch a bus to all these events? How much do you pay for gas? It's all about personal values but most people seem to agree that for $20, CX is almost the most painful fun you'll ever have on a bike in an hour.

Yep, cross is low-key in places but if the promoter pays to put on a race and only 20 people show up expecting the fee to be $5, the race will never happen again.
more milage/time = more value ??????????p lo
Nov 7, 2002 1:23 PM
I hate the more milage = more value theory......

Value is what you percieve it to be and i think (hope?) what we are all looking for here is fun. We all spend a bunch of time/effort/money to race our bikes and for me cyclocross is the most fun racing i do, regardless of cost. I think if you try a race you will walk away with a smile on your (hopefully muddy) face.

In my experience more milage can mean more of the "death march" and "i am just riding to finish the race" suffer fests that I started to find extreamly boring.

Plus, cross races ARE low key. There are no other races I have done that the people are as friendly. And unlike mt biking the races are really spectator friendly which will allow your friends to come and actually enjoy being at the race with you.
It's not that..Carl Mega
Nov 10, 2002 8:16 PM
more mileage = more value. But I think a 35mi or 100mi loop has to cost more to set up and secure than a 2mi one. And for me, big mtb loops are waaay more fun than multi short ones. Either way, I came, I saw, I, err, watched. Looked like fun. I plan to race on Dec 1st which should give me enough time to rehab my ankle (another reason I didn't want to drop too much $$ this time around-the running will kill me). I don't think organized racing will ever be my thing but I'm willing to give this a try...at least once.

PS- Judging by the posts, cross racers are more hung up w/ prize money than I'm used to. Not that I don't want Gully to get his due, but I'd rather have a few extra cold ones any day ;).

Cheers.
rr#2p lo
Nov 11, 2002 9:00 AM
That is a fun course to ride, but i think it was a pretty boring to watch. Too hard and slow, the faster courses make for a more tactical race that is exciting to watch. When a race has 4 or 5 guys that can still win on the last lap it is cool to see them duke it out!!!
Bad Newswahleyed
Nov 7, 2002 1:16 PM
I'm thinking 'cross isn't going to happen for you. I'm guessing the $5 is in ADDITION to the $18 entry fee. My guess is that you're not a license holder (of any association) and someone quoted you the one day license fee.

That's makes it a whopping $23 to get thrashed on your '86 Trek.
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross seriescxfan
Nov 7, 2002 1:30 PM
We should really lighten up on this guy. He rode his 86 trek in single speed world championships. The winners got a tattoo for the work they did. there were no other prizes for finishing except a beer.

Carl Mega: come out to the red rocks race and pay the entry fee. It's only 45 minutes of hell and you can see what it is all about. Plus there is no 13 mile climb to start the race like the SSWC had. When you finish that, I'm sure that someone will hand you a beer for your prize.

Merci

cxfan
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross seriesp lo
Nov 7, 2002 1:33 PM
plus you should stick around and watch the open race. i heard gully and the kona team are in town for the weekend
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross serieseurochien
Nov 7, 2002 1:38 PM
Thanks for the tip about who's in town. I'm definitely NOT racing open.
l'eurochien
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross seriescxfan
Nov 7, 2002 1:42 PM
Trained with Gully and the boys from Boulder yesterday. Those are a great 2 hour workout in the AM.

cxfan
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross seriesmsmootsiemartin
Nov 7, 2002 5:08 PM
Heck...I'll pay $5 just to come and watch! What time does it start and where? Is it Sat. or Sun.? Hope to see you there!
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross seriesp lo
Nov 7, 2002 6:40 PM
saturday the race is in longmont and info on times and location are available at www.boulderracing.com

sunday is in morrison and info is at www.americancycling.org
re: Question about Red Rocks cyclocross seriesmsmootsiemartin
Nov 8, 2002 6:57 AM
Thanks for the info...I may come and watch...just for fun!
What a hornets nestCarl Mega
Nov 7, 2002 5:24 PM
I think some people are being a little thinned skinned.

So what?!? that I don't want to pay (now) $23 to race?

I think it's clear that I'm on fence over the whole racing thing, and if the registration is only $5 it might be enough to put me over the edge and give it a go. I didn't make this number up-I recieved incomplete info. So, it $23 now. Fine. It just means I may pass. Charge what you need to charge to keep it going-but for me PERSONALLY, I don't want to spend an extra hundred a month to race 4 times. Some do and that's cool too. I hope we are all having fun.

I understand that it costs money to put on races. I've been to a few (like SSWC) where it's amazing on how much the promoters do for you and others where it's clear the rider is nothing but a commodity. Maybe I'm naive, but I thought it *could* be possible that race promoters keep the cost supa-low to attract new people to the sport. It's not as far fetched, when you consider these races have zero advertisement and the course is around a freakin elementry school. To me, this sounds like perfect combo for low overhead but I'm sure the devil is in the details.

Whatever.

I have an interest so I still may show up and someone can punch me in my big-fat cheapskate mouth. Ha!
What a hornets nestp lo
Nov 7, 2002 6:44 PM
oh, we forgot to mention the 8 bucks you'll have to spend on new tubes after the race......

though you might as well cruise over and check it out. if it looks like fun, there is another race there on december 1st
Not a hornets nest... It's your attitude.TCN
Nov 8, 2002 7:39 AM
But then it's inline with other posts I've seen from you.

You have a legitimate concern, it's just the way you bring it out that offends.

I realize you just like stirring the sh*t. Which is fine, it's a free country just don't act surprized when you get some on your hands.
um, yeah..sure..whatever and everCarl Mega
Nov 8, 2002 8:01 AM
I just asked a question. Read the first post; hardly an attitude.

However, you are half right - I do like stirring it occassionally on passion. Nowhere else tho.