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fitness or finesse(12 posts)

fitness or finesseeurochien
Oct 31, 2002 10:12 AM
What are your favorite 'cross courses? Those that favor horsepower, or those that favor handling skills? Of course it being cross there is overlap but you always have a general impression of a course that goes one way or the other. What do you prefer? Me, I like fitness courses better, cos I'm a roadie and the only time of year I see dirt is at cross races (or if someone pushes me into the shoulder at a road event). Let's see a show of hands.
l'eurochien
probably finesseJakob
Oct 31, 2002 10:32 AM
as a former bmx kid, i love fast, technical riding.

my favorite courses are really hilly or technical and have sections of 30-45 seconds where you really hurt and then downhills where you recover. i prefer these types of courses over those that feel more like a dirt tt with a sustained effort over the course of the race. i like feeling my heartrate jump all over the place.
re: fitness or finessep lo
Oct 31, 2002 10:35 AM
i love technical courses! but i also always have fun on the courses that alllow the races to get tactical. with attacking, chasing, riding in small groups....

i thought the boulder course last sunday was fun
Boulder 2eurochien
Oct 31, 2002 10:41 AM
I agree. I had fun there too, it was a good mix and the weather played its part. BTW good job there.
The snow we've gotten so far might turn this weekend's CO Spgs race into something special... Like two years ago.
l'eurochien
a little of bothatpjunkie
Oct 31, 2002 10:57 AM
like a little of both. like rolling stuff or hills w/ run ups (barrier at bottom) as long steep climbs don't favor my 230 lb frame.
Boulder 2p lo
Oct 31, 2002 11:40 AM
thanks, i kinda pulled that result out of no where????

i heard that there was a snowy race down there that winter. i missed it though. what was it like? muddy? sticky? tires?
Fitness and finesseBipedZed
Oct 31, 2002 12:31 PM
If I had to favor one or the other I'd pick fitness, but a cross race really needs to have both in balance - otherwise it's a dirt crit. Cross racers also need to have both fitness and skills and it's the ones with both that get the results.

My favorite course of all time is the Air Force Academy CX. I've always done well and liked the Boulder Research Center course. It's been my favorite course so far this year with Schwab #1 second. I didn't like the Red Rocks #1 course at all. Almost all handling with very few power sections.

This weekend could be a lot more interesting. I just got back from a ride around the trails at Cherry Creek. First off, it's too freaking cold to ride outside. But the melting snow will definitely soften the terrain for Saturday - I'm looking forward to it.
Fitness and finesseeurochien
Oct 31, 2002 12:37 PM
The AFA course is also my #1 all-time favorite. Long stretches of road, off camber grassy sections, what a bummer more cross courses aren't like that.
The Colo. Spgs course two years ago was covered in snow and you had to make your own tracks, the long downhill was tricky because of the speed you can have and then you have to steer in the snow. Good thing is if you crash, you don't get hurt at all... See y'all down there.
l'eurochien
Speaking of the AFA course...eurochien
Oct 31, 2002 12:52 PM
Has anyone seen Scott M., the promoter/Cat 3 racer. Or Darrin B. or Kip B. (Cat 3 2000 world champ)? Wonder what happened with those dudes.
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re: fitness or finessewahleyed
Oct 31, 2002 1:21 PM
Sign me up for the speed course -- aka. dirt crits. Nothing quite like attacking through some speed barriers to test your group's mettle.

I also enjoyed the boulder #2 course -- what little technical riding there was had to be pedalled through to maintain speed. The RR#1 course was all up then too much coasting in between. Never could stretch my legs and ride on it.

The 'Springs course a couple years ago in the snow was interesting, but if you lost the line on the downhill, you were swamped and lost big time. Always tough racing down there at Bear Creek.

The AFA course was really good, and one of my better races (day #1 anyway...). It was a shame we didn't get good 'cross weather (bad weather for normal civilians) 'cause that's one of the rare courses out here that put in some decent off camber sections. Those would have been much more interesting with a little moisture.
re: Courses or Trails....jrm
Nov 2, 2002 6:19 PM
never even competed in a cross race, But i trail ride alot. I like trails with reasonable climbs, singletrack and somewhat technical. yeah i eat shlt every once and a while but hey.
re: this past weekendatpjunkie
Nov 4, 2002 4:26 PM
in San Diego, they put on a great race. course was both technical and tactical. Check my post about pits for a desription. It was wunnerful.