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Building up some wheels...Steve_O
Sep 25, 2002 6:37 AM
On Tuesday my Sun Ringle Cyclocross wheelset finally bit the dust. On the daily commute I got a flat and noticed several eyelets getting pulled through the rim wall. Upon further inspection I found some cracks in the rim.

The plan is to reuse the Sun Ringle hubs (439 rear, Son of Bubba front) and rebuild the wheels in a stronger 3x pattern. The rim of choice will probably be Velocity Aeroheads or Deep V rims.

I plan to use these wheels as my primary race/offroad wheelset...
Anyone else using Velocity rims for CX riding? The deep V section seems like it would make a strong wheel...
re: Building up some wheels...bigbadbri
Sep 25, 2002 7:12 AM
I have used tons of Velocity rims for different uses. I just built a set of new cross wheels (bike porn coming soon!) and used the new Fusion rims! They are a cross between the Aerohead and the Deep V. The Deep V is super strong, but heavy. A good choice though if you are a bigger rider or not so smooth. The Fusion is 25mm, and a sweet compromise, 100g. lighter than the deepV but much stiffer than the 19mm Aerohead. And they built up great!
Looks like...Steve_O
Sep 25, 2002 7:40 AM
Looks like a Velocity mix and match for this build! My front hub is 28H. Nashbar has the Aeroheads on sale for $19.99! I am going to go Aerohead in the front and Deep V in the rear...

I go 195 lbs. an come from an MTB background so the rear wheel takes some abuse. Good to hear your vote of confidence!
Second that vote.....TWD
Sep 25, 2002 8:28 AM
I'll second that,

I've built up velocity wheelsets for all of my bikes now (mountain,SS, road, cross, tandem)and have had really good results.

My only complaint is that the older 26" Deep V models had really thin sidewalls that dented and wore through pretty quickly (under extremely harsh conditions though).

I have a set of deep Vs on my road bike that have lasted 6 or 7 seasons of punishment and have since been relegated for use as a spare wheelset on my cross bike. They're still going strong. I also have a set of 48 hole 700c deep Vs on my road tandem.

The fusions look like a really nice compromise between the Aerohead and Deep V, and would probably be my first choice for cross, but for the price you mentioned, I think the setup you're going with sounds really good.
where to buy the fusions?richpierce
Sep 25, 2002 9:56 AM
Any deals or order thru LBS?
where to buy the fusions?TWD
Sep 25, 2002 2:55 PM
$52 was the best (and only) price I saw on the web.
what about the Interloc Cadence Niobiumbuffalosorrow
Sep 29, 2002 8:08 AM
I assume the some saw this on the previos hyper-link.
Some thoughts....
I am somewhat of the alloynerd, this intersts me.
At $40 for the silver, it makes a not badly priced rim, as long as the durability is consistant.
um ... different lacing pattern???weiwentg
Sep 25, 2002 4:05 PM
I've never, ever built a wheel before. I can't even true one. but I seem to remember something about not rebuilding a hub with a different lacing pattern. and I notice the original wheelset was radial laced front.
different lacing patternjhr
Sep 26, 2002 5:13 AM
Weiwentg is correct. Wheel builders generally frown upon changing spoke patterns when rebuilding a hub. In addition, you generally you don't switch spoke head in verses head out when you rebuild a hub. The theory is that when a hub is built the spokes mark, dent, score or whatever you want to call it, the hub flange as they exit the spoke hole. If you rebuild with a different spoke pattern or reverse head in verses head out in the spoke holes, you mark, dent score the hub in a new place. The theory is that marking, denting or scoring of the hub flange where spokes contact the flange weakens the hub flange. For any spoke hole you only want only one such weakend place. If you rebuild a hub that was originally 2x into 3x you create a second (or 28 for the whole wheel)weakened area.

I have violated this rule of thumb before without a problem, but I still think it is not a bad to follow.

Sep 26, 2002 6:04 AM
This is a good question to pose to the wheel building forum over on MTBr... What you say makes sense, time to do a little research...
actually ....Steve_O
Sep 26, 2002 5:55 AM
The original wheelset is laced 2x for both front and rear... The wheels have been an ongoing problem. I have broken 4 spokes on the rear wheel in 1500 miles of riding (80% commute 20% offroad). After the last spoke breakage I contacted Sun Ringle to warranty the wheel. They offered very little assistance and suggested that I relace the rear wheel with the spokes going in the opposite direction...

I did that with a 3x pattern and got another 2500 miles out of the wheels (including a century this past weekend). Now the spokes are holding but the rim eyelets are failing.

talk about disappointment. I love the silky smooth hubs but I attribute most of the issues to the initial factory build quality of the wheels.

End result - Once I cut out the hubs I will inspect the spoke holes closely for wear and build based on what I see. These wheels will be used as backups...
do thisweiwentg
Sep 26, 2002 8:03 AM
write to Sun's tech support. carbon copy your emails to the president, distributor, everyone you can think of.
3T was holding on to my friend's stem, after they had promised to warranty it (they lost his address, then they said they were checking the stem for improper use). he did the scorched earth thing, and they shipped it last week.