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time ATAC Alium vs Compositelookin for help
Sep 19, 2002 9:16 AM
I know about all i do is ask questions here. If I had any advice for anyone I would give it. Unfortunately I am just full of questions!

I run the Composite ATAC on my mountain bike but was wondering about the Aliums. Does anyone have any experience? I need to pick up two sets of pedals (one for my new cross bike and one for the wifes mtn bike. other than the materials are their any functional or mechanical differences? the Aliums are actually lighter than the composites and $30 bucks less. the Carbon pedals are just out of my price range for the performance.

Chip
get the compositesJakob
Sep 19, 2002 9:51 AM
I have two pairs of composites and one pair of Aliums and I strongly suggest the composites. The Aliums have never felt as smooth. I have decided to relegate them to my road bike because the release tension is higher than on either pair of my composites. The composites are so buttery to get in and out of, but the Aliums take a little extra effort.

I would say get the Aliums for your wife and the Composites for yourself, but I try to avoid that kind of inequity.

Are you sure the Aliums are lighter? That seems counterintuitive to me.
weights/pricesJakob
Sep 19, 2002 10:00 AM
Looking around the web, here's what I found:

Carbon w/ti spindle . 352g . $225 @ bikesmart
Carbon w/steel spindle . 396g . $119 @ jenson
Composite w/steel spindle . 400g . $89 @ jenson
Alium . 416g . $69 @ excel

What are the advantages of the Carbon w/steel spindles over the Composites? You lose 4g by scuffing the plastic. Are they stronger?
price point list the aliums at 358glookin for help
Sep 19, 2002 10:28 AM
this is what price point has listed:

Aliums: price is $59.98, Resembling Time’s Carbon Fiber ATAC pedal in every aspect but materials, the Alum model is light, sturdy and affordable. Features exceptional mud clearing ability, both angular and lateral float, ample double-sided platform, steel axle and low spring tension.
Aluminum body, 358g

Copmposite: 89.98 ATAC pedals provide all the features of ATAC Carbon pedals, without carbon in the body. Compete in Expert or Sport class with reliable entry and release in mud and all conditions. TIME's angular float for proper biomechanics

Specs:
Composite body
Steel axle
A.T.A.C. (Auto Tension Adjustment Concept)
Dependable
Easy entry
Oversize Platform
Bioperformance: Angular Float ± 5°, Lateral Float ± 3 mm
Weight: 400 g/pair
I got my weights from the Time site, PP sometimes lies..NMJakob
Sep 19, 2002 10:29 AM
re: time ATAC Alium vs Compositeatpjunkie
Sep 19, 2002 10:10 AM
Aliums are fine. I have 3 sets of ATACs 2 composite and 1 alium for my MTB and cx bikes. The Aliums are cheaper, nearly as light and more durable. If you actually work out the weight per dollar the carbon and carbon ti's are just absurd. You can piss before a ride and equal the weight savings and still have an extra 40-80 bucks in your pocket. The aliums have a slightly (it seems) bigger platform which is good for riding not clicked in and for dismounts and mounts. Shop for whichever you choose on ebay you can get some great deals.
re: time ATAC Alium vs Composite priceatpjunkie
Sep 19, 2002 10:21 AM
so you see we are showing a 155 dollar price swing for a shaving of 2.3 ounces (from top to bottom).
From Alium to composites it is 20 bucks for a 3 quarter ounce savings
From Composite to Carbon/Steel it is 30 Dollars for a 4 gram (1 seventh of an ounce) savings (about a good lugie)
and from Carbon to Carbon ti it is 106 bones for an ounce and about 3/4's.
I'm sure most of us carry that gap in extra meat.
So if you are a rich weight weenie go for it but personally I think it's absurd.
I like both my composite and aliums.
re: time ATAC Alium vs Composite priceJakob
Sep 19, 2002 3:53 PM
I like the lugie comment. . .

My only concern is the performance. I really dislike using my Aliums in any situation where I frequently dismount. Have you had any problems with your? How do you service/lube them?
re: time ATAC Alium vs Composite priceatpjunkie
Sep 19, 2002 6:29 PM
grease the spindles and tri flow the latches. pretty simple. I think I agree, I seem to like the composites better (maybe psychological) but I like the q factor of the aliums. They seem to be a bit wider. I'm going to throw them on one of my cxers and do a review. I paid between 40-60 bucks for my composites (on ebay) so they were quite the deal. Have the aliums on my MTB.
re: psatpjunkie
Sep 19, 2002 6:34 PM
all these people who will shell out an extra hundred bucks to shave an ounce while carrying close to a road bike around their waist freakin' kill me. I'm a big rider (almost 6'5" and 230) not fat by any means so weight weenieism isn't an option for me. I prefer durability. I also love blowing by w.w. who should spend more time riding and less time shopping for the latest and lightest.
But Why?Dan Q
Sep 20, 2002 10:21 AM
Why do these people kill you? What does it matter what type of bike they have? Do you also love to blow people on Huffys? What about people that spend time posting notes on the web when they could be riding?
I love to see people riding bikes regardless of what kind they are on.
But Why?atpjunkie
Sep 20, 2002 1:25 PM
I love people riding bikes but have a strong chunk of Luddite in me.
Love people on Huffy's, tend to dislike Kooks (surfer term) on 3000 dollar rigs with huge guts who worry about the weight of their cable ends. "Titanium caps will save me .03 of a gram!" Personally with the money I saved from not trying to keep up with the Jones's I bought my neighbor 's kid his first decent bike (he's 9 and his family couldn't afford it) which I feel is a far better use of my dollars than spending an extra 100 bucks to look cool and shave the equivalent of a pre ride piss. So I introduced cycling to another person who otherwise wouldn't be riding and seeing his smile as he runs crits around my block is far more enjoyable than the envy of my riding buddies. Don't get me wrong I like nice bikes, I just tend to do a dollar to gram analysis instead of a how cool will this make me look in my buying decisions. I'll post the pix of my 2 cx bikes (when #2 is done) and I've invested far less than most do on one. From a racers perspective, 2 good bikes will always beat one amazing one. I've got a back up for the pit.
re: time ATAC Alium vs Compositecross bro
Sep 20, 2002 7:49 AM
Having used Composite ATACs on my MTB I bought Alium for my Cross bike cause they looked sturdier and were cheaper - big mistake, first the bearings tightened and the pedal unscrewed from crank during a race, couple of months later the bearings became very rough .
Went back to Composite - have never let me down two seasons cross racing.
The 2002 version looks even better.
Haven't used the Composites but love both my sets of AliumsGlowBoy
Sep 20, 2002 11:32 AM
I have them on both my 'cross and mountain bikes. They seem to pedal perfectly smoothly.

They can be a little tricky to disengage sometimes, but I figured all ATACs were that way (maybe I'm wrong?) This usually only happens to me after riding on dry, dusty trails - never a problem in wet conditions like mud or snow. So it shouldn't be an issue for racing. Spraying the springs with silicone spray lube occasinally seems to solve the problem.

I think TIME's weights are pretty accurate - if memory serves mine came in pretty close to the 416g figure. I paid $70 for my most recent pair - coupon deal at REI, though you can get 'em at JensonUSA for the same price. I just couldn't see spending the extra money for the Composites, just to save a fraction of an ounce and switch to a potentially breakable plastic body. The Alium body is solid aluminum and indestructible. Seems to me if they're going to switch to a plastic body, they should be saving a heck of a lot more weight with the higher-end models than they actually are.

- Dan
the composites are smooth as butter...lookin for help
Sep 20, 2002 12:05 PM
That is why I am having a hard time deciding whether to try the others. With my Composites I have never had a problem in or out dust, rain, mud... does not matter. The comp just dropped to $89 on pricepoint and the aliums to 59.

The weight issues is not the thing for me. I don't race anyway. I am looking to get a couple pair and its the money that adds up!
Aren't the bearings different?Dan Cas
Sep 20, 2002 4:19 PM
I thought the reason the Aliums were cheaper was because they use a bushing on the inner side instead of a bearing.I'm sure that was the case when the Alium was introduced but maybe it is no longer true.