|bar end shifting technique (silly question)...||phlegm|
Jul 28, 2002 8:56 AM
|Hi, I noticed that cross bikes often have bar end shifters on drop bars. Doesn't that make it more difficult to shift? Do you have to remove a hand from the bars to shift? Sorry if this seems stupid, but I've never used that type of setup.|
|re: bar end shifting technique (silly question)...||atpjunkie|
Jul 29, 2002 6:49 PM
|it makes it more difficult than STI's but not bad. A majority of the time you will be in drop position so all you do is slide your hand down. If you are on the hoods you just have to let go and drop your hands to the shifting position. It's not bad and doesn't take that much riding to get used to.
BarEnds may be more 'retro' but combined with aero levers it will save you some weight. You may hit them with a knee once in a while but the main advantage is they don't die when getting dirty. The shifting mechanism is pretty much sealed from the elements and they can take a ton of abuse. STI's may be easier but they die horrid deaths in slop, which can affect you greatly in a race or adventure ride. It also is quite expensive to replace (about $150 US for Ultegra's) in all honesty if I was building up a cross bike and wanted the ease of STI I'd go Campy as they can be field dressed and they actually sell replacement parts (what a concept)
|agreed on STI cruddification issues||lonefrontranger|
Jul 30, 2002 6:56 AM
|I've even had my STIs lock up on me in rainy road races, not to mention how many times I've finished a 'cross race as an impromptu singlespeeder. Wonder how they get the STIs thru Paris-Roubaix? It's a well-known but little documented problem with STI; the ratchets are just a little too exposed to the elements. Combine that with lots of grit and liquid being thrown up from the front tire, and you get shifter lockout.
The remedy is very simple; merely flush the levers with clean solvent (brake cleaner, Tri-Flow, gasoline, or other solvent-type stuff) and you're golden. However, it's a little hard to do this in the middle of a 'cross race unless you have two bikes and great pit service / support.
I do a fair amount of racing and training (both road and cross) in sloppy conditions. The STI has locked up on me quite a few times, but even in the worst rain or mud, I've never had the Campy shifting go out - even the supposedly "fragile" 10-speed stuff has served me well in the mud.
|she speaks the truth||atpjunkie|
Jul 30, 2002 3:35 PM
|Amen. Think I'm going to build my Ridley with Centaur (Daytona 9) so I can have one full Euro Steed. Maybe a single ringer. Will avoid 10 sp. as I'm a Clydesdale and know I will snap that skinny little 10 sp. chain. Hell, I'm still running 8sp on my MTB.
ps Friction shifting on the Fornt Rules!!!!
|That's why I run single on all my bikes....||SS_MB-7|
Jul 31, 2002 6:18 AM
|On my SS disc-only MTB with eccentric bottom bracket, my fixed-gear Fuji Track road bike and my newest fixed-gear road/SS cross bike: |
I've been 100% SS'ing for nearly 2 years and it has been a life-changing experience! It has taught me a lot about riding technique, strategy, etc., and has made me a much better racer/rider. The most valuable lesson I've learned was is related to Physics 101: the conservation of momentum! With it, you can ride anything. Without it, you are dead.
|That's why I run single on all my bikes....||atpjunkie|
Jul 31, 2002 1:52 PM
|sweet rig, looks like someone has some $ to spare. don't mind my Jealousy. Couldn't agree with you more on the momentum thing. I learned it along time ago from another source, I'm a Clydesdale. By the look of that frame you don't share my problem (is that a 50cm?) with size (I'm 6'4+ 230) my x bikes are 57-58's. Going to build a SS MTB next year. Used to have one and dearly miss it though it makes me suffer on the climbs. What gear ratio you running? 39-14?|
Jul 31, 2002 5:50 PM
|It's a 47cm center-center. My road is 50.5cm (c-c). My MTB is 14.5" (c-c). I'm only 5'6" and 130lbs. |
On my SS MTB, I'm using 36x18. On my fixed-gear/SS Fuji Track, I use 48x16 (fixed) and 48x17 (free). On this bike, I'm going to use the same gearing while it is a road bike (48x16 fixed or 48x17 free -- although the pic shows 42x15 -- I'm waiting for the 48T ring), and for cross, I'm going with 42x18.
Aug 2, 2002 2:36 PM
|sweet, nice rig.
makes me want to finish building my Ridley