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Campy Cross Questionatpjunkie
Apr 12, 2002 5:44 PM
Alright you campyphiles, what Crank (Campy or Campy compatible) can you run with a Cross 48/38 chainring set up? I'm building my second bike and am leaning to full Euro. Heard great things here about the Campy Shifters and dirt so I may give it a try. I'm using Centaur/Daytona 9 so don't tell me about some Hi Zoot gear. I build to beat so I'm not going to waste $ on Record 9.
Thanx for the help.
re: Campy Cross Questionmackgoo
Apr 13, 2002 2:19 PM
What I did is T/A makes a 48 tooth big ring and I left the 39 for the small ring on the Record crank set. Just keep the Centaur chain set and replace the big ring with the T/A 48 tooth.
Check www.barnfordbike.com for info on the rings. I hate to say it because Branford is such a wealth of information and their price's are good for the USA but, check out www.sdeals.com for price's, they are unbeatable even with the shipping.
I run Centaur 10lonefrontranger
Apr 15, 2002 9:00 AM
with a TA crankset. This lets me go 46/36, running a 12/25 10-speed rear. This creates a wide range of gears for me for racing 'cross, since I'm small, wimpy and can't crank over big ratios on the climbs. The courses here in CO resemble MTB courses quite a bit more than the glorified grass crits I used to race in Ohio.

The TA is a little pricey, but it's a 110 bolt circle, and you can get any size rings from TA to customize your rig. I used a 50/36 to do the Boulder Roubaix road race last week (mega bumpy dirt road race with lots of wind). I use the 46/36 as a cross racing setup, and I would even opt for a 34 low if I do more singletrack riding.

I don't have any problems using the 10-speed chain with 9-speed width rings.
I run Centaur 10atpjunkie
Apr 15, 2002 9:07 AM
So TA makes campy compatible stuff still. I had TA / Campy gear on my MTB back in '81. Sweet, know any good TA dealers? I know cyclocrossworld sells the rings, I'm sure I could order the cranks. I was looking into Ritchey 2 x9's as well and need to see if they make Campy rings. Thanx for the info, let me know if you know any dealers on the web, it's also nice to see a fellow budget minded crosser.
dealers...lonefrontranger
Apr 15, 2002 9:54 AM
I got mine from Vecchio's here in Boulder, but I think you are right; Cyclocrossworld will order them for you.

I also think you can get Campy compatible cranks from Steelman Cycles - they spec a lot of their stuff with Campy - I saw a Dimensions crank in their spec kit that looked good, too. www.steelmancycles.com

I doubt you could really call me budget minded, since my current 'cross bike is a Colnago. I did go with Centaur just because I agree that it's far more practical than destroying Record or Chorus parts in muddy races. I run Record on both my road bikes. I'm extremely fortunate to have industry "ins" both from racing sponsorship and from a close friend who is a Colnago dealer that I used to work for, so it doesn't cost me as much as the average bear.

If it makes you feel better, my last 'cross bike was a Redline Conquest I built for around $300, which was only slightly more than the frame/fork cost me. Built it up out of the junk parts box and it lasted me four seasons and took a lot of beating.
dealers... and budgetsatpjunkie
Apr 15, 2002 2:14 PM
Thanx for the info. Well like I said if you get deals on swank parts get them. Nice on the Dream CX. The bike I'm building right now is a Ridley (frame, fork, headset, stem & seatpost for $275) I have a new set of Record Hubs on Mavic Open Pro ceramics (paid $180) can get the Centaur Shifters, Cassette and Derailleurs for less than $300, all I'll need are Cranks, bars and brakes and I'll have cross bike #2 (and a nice one) for under a grand. I have some connex as well but even though you have some swanky stuff (2 record roadies I assume 1 is for Crits) it seems you spend far more wisely. That is my main point, pick your battles and like you said you had a $300 bike that served you well and probably put a hurt on some folks on expensive steeds.
I have nearly 5 bikes ( 1 Road, 2 cross { 1 under construction} 2 MTB's{ 1 under construction} ) that I've accumulated for less dough than most spend on 2 bikes. So many people in here just want to throw money around that it shocks me.
sounds like a good buildlonefrontranger
Apr 15, 2002 8:19 PM
The Ridley sounds cool - post a pic when you're done, please!

I definitely like to pick my battles. I also was forced by circumstances and funds to race utter crap for so many years that once I had the job and the connections to buy the nice stuff, I went a little nuts. I have a source for sets of Cosmos wheels for less than $200, so I've got three pair (you can never be too rich or own too many wheels, right?). I also swiped a set of Zipp 303 tubies for a song from some rich silly boy who rode them three times then bought a new pair just to get the fancier braking surface. Shoot, I'm a crit racer, braking's overrated anyhow. Put a decent set of Campy pads on and forget about it. I remember the bad old days of single-pivot sidepulls; they didn't work nowhere, nohow and god help you if it rained, but they were light.

Anyway, you are right, one of the roadies is my crit bike. This was a screaming steal of a perfect bike, to the point where I think there was some kind of divine intervention involved. I found a fully custom Morgul Bismark aero Easton 7005 TT frameset at VeloSwap last fall. Frame and WoundUp straight blade fork for $400. The frame measures 48.5cm C-C with 50cm top tube, which is like it was made to measure for me (actually made to measure for someone else who defaulted or something and the frame sat orphaned at the builder for months). Bonus: it has a fab custom 2-tone teal-lavender metallic fade paint job. Built up with Record and the Zipps, it's under 15 lbs, and the tight angles make it an absolute rocket. It's the best crit bike I've ever ridden, period. I think the frame is grateful for a good home, too; I've won a couple primes already on it this season.

My Dream Plus is a magnificent road and stage racer, gotten for amounts that I just can't post in public :) I've never ridden a bike that handles or tracks so effortlessly on twisting 50+ mph descents, and it's also a stiff, lightweight aluminum frameset that you can ride for 5 hours in comfort, without having to have your saddle surgically removed from your butt.

My next project is to build the lightest custom hardcore dual-suspension XC full-on race rig known to man. I'm pretty sure at this point that the basis will be a Fuel 100 frame. I had my old Klein hardtail well under 19 lbs. by the time I got done with it, and my goal with the dually is to get it down around 22.
here's a pic of the CX bike in its natural elementlonefrontranger
Apr 15, 2002 9:36 PM
You can see here that I'm a healthy woman. This was at the Boulder Roubaix. Bumpy, hellish 17 mile loop of rough washboard dirt, gravel and some pavement, my field did it twice. Everyone uses road tires cos the pavement sections are too long and fast for CX stuff, but there must be hundreds of flat tires. Hundreds of water bottles strewn across the road, and dozens of stranded riders looking like Armageddon after each field goes thru the first main section of hardcore corrugation. I rounded a corner last year and came across a slew of Cat 4 guys splayed out across the road, nearly ran over some guy's head trying to avoid him. Many dejected souls waddling thru the gravel in their penguin shoes, looking for the sag wagon 'cause they've already run out of spares.

Those Axial Pros are some tough roadie tires; I've ridden about 500 dirt miles on 'em this year alone with no flats yet. I can now believe their tag line "the first clincher ever to win Paris-Roubaix".
here's a pic of the CX bike in its natural elementatpjunkie
Apr 16, 2002 7:29 AM
will do on the photo, I'll post a birth announcement. Agree on the Axials, my first set I put 1000 miles on and they were ready for more and for a "slick" tire they seemed to never get any tears from debris. Re: your healthiness I sent you a PS in another cross forum above when I remembered who you were (Clydesdale crossers...). I'm going to use that term...healthy, Check the forum where we start to talk about Teutonic Cyclists...it's all conspiracy of pipsqueaks they only like official weight classes when it behooves them (Boxing, wrestling, Martial Arts, Crew, power lifting) Your size and power must make you a demon on the Crit circuit, make them hurt for all us Big Folk.
Re: light weight full suspension, check www.beyondbikes.com they have great deals on last years Ellsworth Truths. I've been riding one for over a year, set up more like an adventure bike (all coil and oil, no air suspension), freeride wheel set up and it's still about 28 lbs. I'm sure you can go under 24 easy and this bike rocks! Some may say my bike is built heavy but it's just a Clydesdale CC set up, I fold Mavic 517's like soft tacos and most air shocks aren't recommended for people over 200 lbs (I'm 230 +) plus the coil set up is much more plush.
Penguin shoes....you are killing me.
All the Best
I run Centaur 10mackgoo
Apr 16, 2002 12:33 PM
www.branfordbike.com
THANX Mackgoo (nm)atpjunkie
Apr 16, 2002 6:12 PM