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Remember "turkey legs" on cheaper sport tourers?(11 posts)

Remember "turkey legs" on cheaper sport tourers?Ahimsa
Mar 6, 2002 6:50 PM
Let's not forget stem mounted friction shifters either.

Now the point:

Aren't cross levers just nuevo turkey legs?

Aren't Kelly Take OFFS just a slight variation (moved outward) of a stem mount shifter?

Haven't I seen this all before?

I'm not criticizing the effectiveness of these products, just feeling particular in tune with the realtively cyclical nature of componentry.

Eliptical chainwheels were done way before Bio-Pace. Suspension existed way back too.

So one must wonder, What is the next abandoned idea to make a comeback?

Cheers!

A.
re: Remember "turkey legs" on cheaper sport tourers?flyweight
Mar 7, 2002 9:13 AM
"What is the next abandoned idea to make a comeback?"

That's an easy one: integrated headsets. Bianchi did it back in the 60's (and several other smaller builders have done it throught out the years) More recent, Vitus and Time made bikes with integrated Mavic/Stronglight headsets.
Stopped me from buying a LitespeedKenS
Mar 8, 2002 5:35 AM
I was on the verge of buying a LS Appalachian frame when they switched to the integrated headset. Why would someone buy a frame that should last a lifetime but then not be able to change a piece that contains bearings? Whose bright idea was that?
Stopped me from buying a Litespeedmackgoo
Mar 8, 2002 7:17 AM
Er, I don't know what kind of head set they use, but I do believe you can change out an integrated head set.
Stopped me from buying a LitespeedKenS
Mar 11, 2002 7:11 AM
Erps...I thought that the race was a permanent part of the head tube. Can you replace the races?
Stopped me from buying a Litespeedmackgoo
Mar 11, 2002 8:04 AM
Campy's hidden set utilizes it"s own race's.
Stopped me from buying a LitespeedKenS
Mar 11, 2002 2:00 PM
I didn't realize they were using a hiddenset. Their ads always speak of their "integrated headtube" design. When I read "integrated headtube" then I think the phrase is being used as (e.g.) it is used on the Park tool site...

http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_headtypes.shtml

I am not sure there was any reference to the hiddenset on last year's Litespeed web site or in catalogs from Coloradocyclist, etc.
Stopped me from buying a Litespeedmackgoo
Mar 11, 2002 5:44 PM
Ok, you may be right. Being a Campyholic I'm only familiar with their design. I don't know what Litespeed is using, I just assumed that if Campy's head set was like that they all were. Sorry.
Stopped me from buying a LitespeedKenS
Mar 12, 2002 7:19 AM
Nope, I think that you are right about the current Litespeeds. The LS web site does show a Campy hiddenset if you buy the complete bike from them. Oddly (at least to me,) if you planned to purchase your frame from another dealer like ColoradoCyclist, there are no references to use of a hiddenset (or whatever) in the catalogs. Nor is the hiddenset listed in the headset section of the ColoradoCyclist or Performance catalog.

It seems utterly bizarre that a manufacturer would make a major design change (like an integrated or hidden headset) without explaining in better detail the reasons and consequences of such a change.
This may helpSteve_O
Mar 12, 2002 11:07 AM
Chris King recently entered into the integrated headset business. They have a very good .pdf article on the differences in designs on their website http://www.chrisking.com/
Stopped me from buying a Litespeedflyweight
Mar 12, 2002 12:11 PM
We've sold a couple. The Litespeed headset isn't really integrated. It's just internal. Races are completely replaceable.