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Tubular or Clinchernew2cyclo
Sep 26, 2001 3:06 PM
Which is better for cyclocross? Also, can you explain what clinchers are and any advantages? I'm guessing that clinchers glue the tire to the rim and don't use tubes??? I ride/race mtb and have been riding road for 2 yrs. None of the bikes I looked at when I got my road bike had clinchers. Thanks
got my answernew2cyclo
Sep 26, 2001 4:25 PM
I had it a little screwed up, but Sheldon Brown straightened it out for me. It seems clinchers are the way to go unless you are a racer with a team car holding spare wheels. Thanks
Guess again... (And see the light)Jan Gerrit Klok = "TUFO-man"
Sep 26, 2001 9:31 PM
Clinchers have become outdated since TUFO has introduce their Tubular Clinchers concept. These are true tubes stuck to a rubber strip that makes them fit on any 19 or 20mm wide 700c rim.
Weight : some 400g, less than any tyre/innertube/rimtape combo.

- get 100% tube riding characteristics
- less punctures
- superior traction and grip
- lower rolling resistance
- lower minimal pressure
- I know I forgot a few points still...
- lose the annoying rim tape, you don't need it
- mount without any tools or glue

Prices start at the same price as a decent clincher.

www.tufonorthamerica.com

Do your advantage with it, get the best tires available for clincher rims, or keep complaining about all the rich boys riding tubes...

Jan Gerrit Klok, CX racer from Holland
Guess again... (And see the light)BAM
Sep 27, 2001 3:52 AM
Jan,
The biggest problem with Tufo clinchers is availablitiy in the US, particularly online. Only one dealer in my area (2 hrs away) and they only stock their tubulars. They will special order when they are placing an order for themselves ( now too late in season). Online I could only find 700x19c timetrial clinchers from them( I ordered a set to try them). Others online only have tubulars.
Did you try www.tufonorthamerica.com ?Jan Gerrit Klok = "TUFO-man"
Sep 28, 2001 2:44 PM
I would say that they should be able to tell you where to get the tyres of your choice, or help you get them in some way. I know my fav LBS and biggest TUFO dealer here would be glad to sell you the tyres you want, and if not on their site yet, simply put them there for you.
But honestly, you should be able to get them in the US, TUFO if pretty big there for what I hear of it...

Good luck!

PS. it's "Jan Gerrit", one name with a space in it :-)
you didn't get the complete answer!themayor
Sep 27, 2001 4:48 AM
Sheldon Brown is a great guy...and very funny...but I don't think he's been to a cross race in his life.
There are a lot of great cross clinchers out there now...Michelins are my favorite training tire.But...NOTHING rides like a good tubular.I borrowed a set 2years ago and couldn't believe the difference. You can run them at low pressure for icy/muddy or bumpy races and not have to worry about pinch flatting.Tufo and Gromitalia make different sizes and are really nice.
And there are no follow cars in a cross race(they have problems in the mud,run ups and barriers ;^D)...there are designated wheel and bike pit areas.
Consider Thismanicmtbr
Sep 29, 2001 3:58 AM
If you are starting from scratch, tubulars are not that much more expensive that only the silver spooners can afford them. And Tufo sells a quick fix if you puncture their tubulars. It is like Slime, only I have been told by my LBS that it really works (Check out their website for cool cross parts and pics (www.henrysbikes.com). You cannot take apart a Tufo tubular, patch the tube inside, and sew it back up with dental floss like you can with a regular tubular (yea, I am old school).

I am building up my tubular wheelset today. Only real men lace up their own wheels (Just kidding - - so please, no slams on that last comment!).

Manicmtbr
I like the Tufo`s but....Jeffro
Oct 2, 2001 7:54 PM
If you use them for trail riding I would carry at least one spare tire.I found this out the hard way.Five miles into the back country and I ripped the sidewall out of the front.I have a friend who races 100 mile mtb races on a one speed cross useing Tufo`s and rairly flats.
Jeff
One other TUFO annoyanceflyweight
Oct 3, 2001 1:15 PM
TUFOs are *the* best but they do have one annoyance. If you pinch flat them you can't repair them. The sealant only works against punctures on the treadside of the tire (since the sealant is propelled towards that side by the centrifugal force of the spinning wheel) I pinch flatted a TUFO while trying to see how low I coud safely run the tires and was a bit bummed to have to toss a $45 tire because it can't be repaired (unlike a traditional tubular) :(

All that said, my TUFOs have been great. I've gotten several little punctures and the sealant has sealed all but one of them (caused by one of those really big staples used to close cardboard boxes)
One other TUFO annoyanceJan gerrit Klok = "Tufo-man"
Oct 8, 2001 6:28 AM
If the puncture in the innertube is not too great, it should still seal, though maybe not during your ride.
Larger punctures I hope to be able to find a way to repair. I´m thinking of a thicker sealent, inserted with a needle, from the outside of the puncture.
Or maybe with a tiny piece of rubber that only goes through it when compressed. The sealent would do it´s job better then. Will take some hard work to find good ways.

Anyone who would like to work these ideas out for me? ;-)
One other TUFO annoyanceKV
Oct 10, 2001 7:27 PM
From my experience at the Chicago SuperCup and at Nationals in Kansas City, the tread on the Tufo's become hard when racing in snowy/icey conditions.