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X-Post from General "Frame advise needed..."853
Jan 9, 2004 1:39 PM
Opinions on 03 Orbea Vitesse frameset?
My LBS has a few of these frames left and is giving me a great deal on it.
Am I down grading by going to this from a Cannondale Caad5? I love my Cannondale, just need a little change and a better fit.

The Orbea uses Columbus Zonal tubing, I just need something as stiff as my Cannondale. It looks like it would be stiff; large shaped aluminum tubes and all.

The bike would be used for everyday training, and weekend crits, by a hefty dude (215lbs)
There are some geometry changes, I just don't know what they mean.
Orbea - ST 73.2 HT 72.1
Cannondale - ST 74 HT 73

Any help on Material type and Geometry guidance?
Or maybe experience w/ Orbea or in particular the Vitesse Frame?

Orbea is a great up and coming company!russw19
Jan 9, 2004 4:01 PM
Soon to be on par with the great builders of today. If they are not there already, within a few years they will be mentioned in the same sentence as Pinarello, Colnago, DeRosa, Merlin.... etc. They make phenomenal bikes! The Vitesse frame should be as stiff as your CAAD 5. The Vitesse is actually a complete bike, but the frame is the same frame they sell as the Mitis as just a frameset. The only catch is there are only 4 sizes of this frame, so make sure it fits you well before you buy it.

For the geometry you posted, the Orbea you are looking at must be their 52. Which has a 46 cm C to C seat tube, 52 C to Top of Collar, with a 54.1 cm top tube. Check those numbers against your Cannondale. (BTW that is the size frame based on the seat and head tube angles you posted.)

Geometry and more info can be found at

re: X-Post from General "Frame advise needed..."northcoast
Jan 9, 2004 11:16 PM
I've had 3 Orbeas. I've also had this exact frame (when it was sold as a frame only option) with the same shaped tubing. It isn't offered any more as a frame only.

Yes it is stiff, but not overly so and it is light, 3 lbs for 56cm. I'm 6'0" 180 and had no stifness problems with it. If you can get a good deal on it, go for it. I paid $600 for my frame 2002, no fork.

The Mitis is a different frame. It is not Columbus tubing and not the same shaped Zonal type....
Thanks for the correction...russw19
Jan 10, 2004 12:23 AM
I was going straight out of the catalog that it was the same as the Mitis. I have a copy of the 2004 catalog, and that is what I was referencing in my above post.

re: X-Post from General "Frame advise needed..."MellowVelo
Jan 10, 2004 11:48 AM
I can't comment on that specific frame, but Orbea knows what they are doing with aluminum. I have two Orbea bikes, a Lobular Carbon which is the best riding aluminum frame I've ever ridden. The other is the Chrono which is a time trial frame.. Both are exceptionally stiff and stunning to look at. I haven't ridden the Starship model, but my experience is that the frames are a little heavier than what they are advertised to be. Also, as with most European paintjobs, the paint is a little fickle. There's a spot where my right foot occasionally rubs the chainstay and the paint has actually been rubbed off on the Lobular. I have the 2003 model that only has carbon seatstays.