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'02 Record 10 compared to '04 Chorus 10 ?(10 posts)

'02 Record 10 compared to '04 Chorus 10 ?HouseMoney
Dec 29, 2003 4:36 PM
Considering the purchase of an '02 leftover from a shop near me. The bike has '02 Record 10. In trying to determine what offer to make, I'd like to compare it to what a comparable component level in '04 would cost if I built up a new bike. With the trickle-down of technology, is the '04 Chorus 10 similar to '02 Record 10? What are the tangible differences, if any?

BTW, it's an '02 LS Vortex, Record 10, Ksyrium SSC (not SL), other nice bits. I test rode it today; rides nice & the fit/geometry is practically identical to my current bike. Asking price ~$3800, but they put the ball in my court to make an offer, which I took to mean they'll accept less.
Same Groupset...seyboro
Dec 29, 2003 7:50 PM
...new labels. As for your question about the Vortex on offer: I bought an '03 Vortex frame/fork headset for around $2300.- on sale from Litespeed (through my LBS). The shop cost on on an '04 Record group w/out hubs and headset is around $1100.- , '04 Chorus around $800.-.
Add in the wheels, post, bars, stem, pedals, HS, tires, tubes, tape and saddle, you'll probably get close to the shop's quote (including a profit for the LBS).
However, you will certainly find many on this board who can build a similar bike for an ebay-fraction of that price.
I'm not saying it's the best you can do, but I would judge something in the $3500 to $3700 range to be a fair price for a very nice ride.
re: '02 Record 10 compared to '04 Chorus 10 ?divve
Dec 30, 2003 1:03 AM
The current Chorus lacks the Ti bolts and screws from Record and some bits aren't light-weight aluminum and hollowed out, BB doesn't have the carbon sleeve, cassette lacks the 4 largest cogs in Ti, front brake caliper doesn't have ball bearings. The Ergopowers are basically identical accept for the obvious label and carbon decal on the Record shift paddle. Overall the differences are quite subtle but ad up weight wise for a whole group.

Personally I'd rather have Record 02 than Chorus 04 (Record 02 drive train components are identical to 03 except for the large chainring which isn't Ultra Drive if I recall correctly).
re: will Ultra Drive Cranks and ring work with Exa drive cassettNoam
Dec 30, 2003 3:58 AM
yes nm.divve
Dec 30, 2003 8:15 AM
of course,,,C-40
Dec 30, 2003 8:16 AM
The chainrings and cassette cogs do not interact. The ultradrive chainring profile improves the shifting of the chain onto the chainring. The ultradrive profile on the cogs improves cog shifting.
of course,,,Noam
Dec 31, 2003 1:57 AM
Clearly undestood Thanks mate
140gaOldMan
Dec 30, 2003 7:14 AM
The '02 Record weighs about 140g less than '04 Chorus.
where?collinsc
Dec 30, 2003 11:58 AM
I count 30 for the bb and 30 for the cassette. The rest is "light alloy and titanium hardwhere", I guess.

Which bolts are changed?
where?divve
Dec 30, 2003 12:42 PM
The biggest Ti bolts are for the derailleur mount and cage fixing. The rest is just small stuff such as Ti shift and brake cable retainer bolts and aluminum chainring bolts. For the remainder there's some lightening work and bolts in the brake calipers and the stuff you mentioned.