|105 vs. Veloce||il sogno|
Dec 21, 2003 7:51 PM
|It's probably been done to death, but I want to hear the arguments one more time. I'm about to press the button on a Rambouillet, and I'll probably end up outfitting the thing with one group or the other.
My main bike has Campy Chorus, and I love it to death. I've always found the Campy shifters more comfortable than the Shimanos, and I like the fact that you can micro-adjust the front shifter on Campy to eliminate chain rattle. Apart from than these two considerations, I have nothing against Shimano. I'm not going to be riding through the more uncivilized parts of the globe, so availability of parts isn't a consideration, either.
On the other hand, my limited experience with lower-end Campy (admittedly very limited) is not especially happy. Is the Campy Veloce going to graunch and skip with every attempt to shift? Are the bearing races square, not round? Is there a major weight difference between the two groups? Is it true that the Shimano tends to want to be tinkered with?
Please. Have at it.
|My Opinion||Indurain 03|
Dec 21, 2003 10:55 PM
|Let me begin by saying that I run Veloce, so my opinion might be a bit biased. That being said you will love Veloce. It is remarkably smooth, and very quiet. It is by no means a sloppy gruppo. Almost everyone I ride with has either Dura Ace, Ultegra, or 105. All are quite noisy. It is true that Shimano tends to want to be tinkered with, but Campagnolo requires maintenance as well. In terms of function and weight, 105 and Veloce are quite similar. If you like your Chorus, Veloce will feel good as well, except that it will obviously be heavier and not feel quite as good. The 04' Veloce is 10 speed as opposed to 105's 9. Shimano makes quality components. But, in my humble opinion, Campagnolo makes art. I hope that you find the gruppo that works for you.
|You'll probably hate 105.||Spoke Wrench|
Dec 22, 2003 10:57 AM
|If you're used to the shape and function of Campy shifters, I suspect you won't like Shimano shifters very well. Works the other way too.|
|re: 105 vs. Veloce||turbo6bar|
Dec 22, 2003 3:58 PM
|I installed Centaur shifters on an Ultegra bike last year. After many miles of break-in, I fell in love. I wrecked that bike and tried 105 and Ultegra equipped bikes. I did not like the shifters. I bought a bike with 04 Veloce. According to most sources, the 04 Veloce is very similiar to Centaur and Chorus + some extra weight.
For me, the desire to use Campagnolo shifters led me to buy a bike with full Campagnolo drivetrain. I've only logged 2 rides since receiving the new bike, but so far it feels really good.
BTW, I upgraded the crank, BB and wheelset, since those parts are the 'weaknesses' (for lack of a better word) in the Veloce line.
|re: 105 vs. Veloce||buffedupboy|
Dec 23, 2003 5:47 AM
I have a bike outfitted with Ultegra and another with a mix of Shimano 105 and Mirage (shifters and rear D). I love my Mirage shifters, they are lighter than the Ultegras and they shift better. If you have smaller hands, you definitely would prefer the Campags. However, I have largish hands and still would go for Campag any day.
Things to consider, campag cogs are more expensive, the 'weaknesses' are in the cranks and BBs but you can swap these any day and yes you can use a 9s shimano cassette with any 9s campag ergopower lever.
Two major differences I feel between riding both my bikes are: The shimano STIs are more comfortable because of the rubber hoods and the shifter cables allow me to rest my helmet on them. However, the campags shift better and why is my helmet off my head anyways.
And Yes, campag makes art. just compare the brakes.
|Il Sogno sends his thanks nm||mapei boy|
Dec 23, 2003 2:10 PM