|Campy 10 vs Shimano 10||aj61colnago|
Dec 20, 2003 5:47 PM
|I am trying to decide between campy 10 or shimano 10. Any thoughts. Thanks for the advice.|
|Shimano 10 is looking nice!||the bull|
Dec 20, 2003 9:21 PM
|I have to admit it. Looks nice, and is comfy looking as well. Stiff strong crank, nice bearings, long levers ,ergo hoods, ahh the list goes on.
I think Campy is good stuff but Shimano has chased down them down to the bone!
I would have to admit if someone were to trade me straight across for my full carbon Record right now I would be very tempted to do it!
Dec 21, 2003 6:47 AM
|re: Campy 10 vs Shimano 10||lyleseven|
Dec 21, 2003 7:45 AM
|Shimano has come up with a winner with this new crank, but I am still addicted to the ergonomic shifting of Campy. Recent reveiw on the new Shimano 10 spd stuff in Cycling Plus either this month or last.|
|One reason to stay with Campy:||Alexx|
Dec 21, 2003 8:55 AM
|I can't stand those damn cables Shimano has coming out of the brifters-Campy ergos look soo much better, and they allow you to use a hadlebar bag, too.|
|But that's just an aesthetic reason...||russw19|
Dec 21, 2003 7:17 PM
|The cables coming out of the shifter without being taped to and routed along the bars is functional, not aesthetic. With less bends in the shift cable routing, there is less friction and so the shifters shift better.
I can't argue against your opinion of which looks better, but the Shimano design has less cable friction, which is why they stick with it.
|price & shifting...||C-40|
Dec 21, 2003 9:10 AM
|All of Campy's 10 speed groups cost less.
The ergo levers work quite differently. You either like it or you don't. I like the ergo lever thumb buttons better and campy's ability to adjust the front derailleur to any of 9 positions. Works much better with a triple. Shimano offers no 10-speed triple.
Shimano's new crank looks like a winner, but it's only available in a double.
Shimano has a better selection of cassettes if you want lower gears for hilly conditions (the 12-27).
The 2004 Chorus group is a good value if you want the carbon look, otherwise 2003 Chorus is still the best value.
|My answer is:||MShaw|
Dec 21, 2003 10:53 AM
|Run both. I'd really rather have the C10 shifters, and S9/10 everything else.
I'm not so sure about those new cranks, so I'd probaly stay S9 there and go S10 everywhere else.
Yeah, I know its sacriledge. So what? Run what works best for YOU, not the marketing department at your component manf.
Dec 21, 2003 3:11 PM
|You can't use campy ergo levers only and the rest shimano. The ergo levers are not compatible with a shimano rear derailleur and the cassette spacing is not the same.|
|Campy has better gearing||mhinman|
Dec 21, 2003 5:41 PM
|With Campy you can build an 53-42-30 coupled to a 13-29 casssette. With DA for 04 the triple is not available and the biggest cassette is 12-27. So campy can give you a stump pulling 30/29 and best that Shimano can manage is 39/27. Even comparing double to double, Campy still has Shimano beat.|
|Biggest difference IMHO...||B2|
Dec 22, 2003 6:39 AM
|As C40 says - "I like the ergo lever thumb buttons better and campy's ability to adjust the front derailleur to any of 9 positions. Works much better with a triple."
When you're shifting the front derailleur to a position between the stops, Campy's the best.
As far as the rest goes - get what YOU like/want. They're both great systems when you get right down to it.
|Shimano is Fugly!! Funkey and VERY UGLY! (IMO) NM||davidxy|
Dec 21, 2003 11:25 AM
|re: Campy 10 vs Shimano 10||Sirius|
Dec 21, 2003 7:34 PM
|I have used Campy Record for the last few years on several frames but I recently purchased a DA10 group with the new DA wheelset as well and I have to say the new DA10 works very well. The brakes are much improved and the shifting on the front is IMHO better than Campy. I still miss the thumb shifter on Campy and how you can shift more than 1 cog at a time unlike DA. And I also like how the cables on Campy are wrapped under the bar tape. Technically, I feel DA10 is ahead of Campy especially now that there are no real technical advancement from Campy for 04 just more carbon and the new carbon crank does not match the carbon used in all the other components. I still love my 03 carbon crank and the rest of the gruppo.|
|re: Campy 10 vs Shimano 10||lyleseven|
Dec 21, 2003 8:01 PM
|There are improvements in Campy 10 in terms of weight, and other subtel differences. Give us a report after you have logged 4 or 5 thousand miles on the DA. That is the litmus test IMHO. I simply cannot wear out or even adversely tweak my campy 10 speed stuff. Perhaps I am an exception.....?|
|It's all personal preference............||Len J|
Dec 22, 2003 5:24 AM
|both groups are usually better than the rider can take advantage of (speaking for myself).
Price: D/A is new and as such the price hasn't "settled" yet. When it does the overall group prices will be pretty close. Close enough that any decision made on this basis is rationalization. However, replacements appear to be more expensive on the Campy side. Cassettes and chains as well as the chain tool for campy are crazy IMO.
Function: Pretty damn close. Do you prefer thumb shifting or finger shifting, it is almost that as the only "Real" difference. Both now allow multiple gear shifts on one click (which used to be a big difference.
Ergonomics: The hoods feel different between the two groups. Campy seems to work better with small hands. Shimano hoods fit my hands better YMMV.
Look: Do you like the Carbon look? go Record. Do you like the polished aluminum look? Go Dura/Ace. The Shimano Chainrings are better looking IMO in person than in a picture. Din't judge until you have held it in your hand.
Bable routing: I like the Campy routing better, it's cleaner.
All that being said, I use all Shimano, mainly because I don't want to obsolete all of my wheels, I like the Polished aluminum look better, I like the ergonomics better (function always trumps look) and the differences aren't that real anyway.
|You must have a defect:)||divve|
Dec 22, 2003 7:04 AM
|Shimano still doesn't allow for simultaneous multiple gear shifts down the cassette. The only exception is a rapid rise rear derailleur but then you loose multiple shifts up the cassette. It's inherent to the mechanism they use.|
|You are wrong about D/A 10.||Len J|
Dec 22, 2003 7:31 AM
|I read that the new D/A 10 allows this similar to Campy.
According to Cycling Plus Dec,2003 "And as with Campag Record you can now shift down three gears in one swing of the lever." (Pg 91)
I don't have experience riding this group, so they & I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
After all the original poster did ask about Record 10 vs D/A 10.
|They are wrong...||divve|
Dec 22, 2003 8:22 AM
|....DA 10 will only shift up to 3 gear down, i.e., up the cassette. Up shifting still only can be done 1 gear at a time.
Either way it's not all that important for road biking. I've found this feature much more significant for mountain biking, where you often have to accelerate from very slow speeds beginning in very low gearing. Being able to shift up several gears allows for better acceleration instead of spinning out after a second and shifting up and having to repeat this 2 or 3 times.
|Will this be on your only bike||Mel Erickson|
Dec 23, 2003 10:12 AM
|Or will you have another road bike? If you have another why not equip the new bike with something different from what you've already got? If you don't have another road bike, get one! Either way, you can have Campy and Shimano and enjoy the best of both worlds.|| |