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Critique my wheelset build(14 posts)

Critique my wheelset buildChicago_Steve
Dec 19, 2003 8:50 AM
Well here goes.... I've got a new Guru bike that came with Spinergy Xaeros. Not being a fan of wheels with proprietary spokes/nipples/rims I promptly listed them on eBay and sold them off. The cash from this sale will be going towards a nice set of handbuilt wheels that I'll be lacing up after the holidays (everything on order right now). Here's the build:

Front wheel:
DT Swiss Hugi 240 Hub 28H
Velocity Aerohead rim 28H
Wheelsmith AE15 bladed spokes laced 2x
Alloy nipples

Rear wheel:
DT Swiss 240 Hub 32H
Velocity Fusion rim 32H
Wheelsmith AE15 Bladed spokes laced 2x on NDS
Wheelsmith DB14 spokes laced 3x on the DS
Alloy nipples

I go between 185 - 190 lbs and ride around 4k miles/year. I used the Fusion as a heavier rim in the rear to take some abuse. That is also the reasoning for the heavier DB14 spokes laced 3x on the drive side. My hope is that the Hugi hubs will be reliable alternative to Shimano/Campy. Anyone see any issues with this build?
re: Critique my wheelset buildkoala
Dec 19, 2003 9:24 AM
Campy hubs would be a lot cheaper and should be reliable. Adds about 40 grams (Damon Rinard) but since its at the hub so what? Of course if its the lightest build you are looking for that will hold up at your weight it looks like a great set of wheels to me..
Front wheel ?Marketing Dept
Dec 19, 2003 9:48 AM
Why are you going for 2X on the front? For comfort? I might have spec'd oval spokes with 2X. Save some rotating weight. Just a matter of choice.

Looks great. Do you have total wheel weight? Can I ask price (ball park figure good enough).
Mostly weight....Chicago_Steve
Dec 19, 2003 1:22 PM
Not that I'm saving THAT much going 2x vs. 3x but every little bit helps.

My original plan was to go radial spoked but I heard that Hugi's flanges are a little thin and thus don't hold up to the higher tensions or radial lacing as well...
I would use Chris King insead of Hugi hubsspookyload
Dec 19, 2003 10:06 AM
They are more durable and more distinctive. Nothing beats the ratchet pawl sound they make. Sounds like a 300 pound sword fish ripping out all your fishing line.
believe me...Chicago_Steve
Dec 19, 2003 1:18 PM
I would if I could!

I spent most of Nov. and Dec. patrolling eBay but didn't find any good deals on the Kings (especially in 130mm spacing)...

Got the Hugis for $200 so we'll give em a chance...
I especially like the rim choicesstratoshark
Dec 19, 2003 11:18 AM
I have a similar set up, with 32 hole OP front and CXP33 rear rims. I used same logic after spending more time truing an OP rear than I liked. I'm same weight as you, similar mileage too. I have about 5K on the CXP33, trued them once.

I think you have a great set up there. I am planning on a rear wheel spoked as you describe. Was your source of info and parts by chance?
Why not brass nipps? Better in the long run IMHO. nmSpunout
Dec 19, 2003 11:50 AM
Dec 19, 2003 12:48 PM
loose the allow nipples, at the very least on the rear wheel. my experience has been that the spoke tension on the rear drive side makes alloy nips a pain to will probably end up stripping them eventually, if not during the building process itself. go brass on the rear, alloy on the front if you must...
So far so good with AlloyChicago_Steve
Dec 19, 2003 1:16 PM
I've got several sets of wheels with alloy nipples and really haven't had any issues. I use anti-sieze for the thread lube instead of Spoke Prep or Linseed oil. Anti-sieze seems to stick around a little longer which lessens the chance of stripping the nipples when truing.
So I'm riding with a friend...Nessism
Dec 19, 2003 7:28 PM
when all of a sudden we hear a "ping". What the? Turns out that an alunimum spoke nipple failed - head popped off. So my friend takes the wheel in for repair. Next ride out..."ping" again. In for repair. Next ride out, you guessed it..."ping". Now time for a complete rebuild. I'm not sure exactly why but clearly the nipples were used up. Age or stress hardened?

Getting back to the origional question regarding the wheel build, I say go wiht DB spokes all around. Ovals are just shaped straight gauge. DB spokes streach when stressed which makes for a more durable wheel. I don't believe oval spokes offer any significant aero advantage so why mess around with them?

I knew a stripper once with brass nipplesspookyload
Dec 19, 2003 11:07 PM
or they were that hard anyways!!
re: Critique my wheelset buildMShaw
Dec 21, 2003 11:03 AM
I'm about the same weight as you are.

1. You don't need the Fusion in the rear. Go with Aeroheads fr & rr.
2. I'd stick with 32/32. (see #3 re: crits/sprints)
3. If you're not sprinting/racing crits 2x in the front's going to be OK. If you are, go 3x. Same with #2 above.
4. I'd stay 3x on both sides of the rear. If you wanna shed some weight, try some Revolutions on the NDS. I've heard good things about running thin spokes on the NDS, but I haven't built a wheel lately, so can't confirm or deny the claims.
5. Alloy nipples seem to work OK for me for a few years, then I seem to need to replace them. Maybe go alloy in the front and brass in the rear? Especially go with brass if you're set on using Velocity rims. No eyelets.

That help?

Fusion vs. AeroheadChicago_Steve
Dec 22, 2003 7:08 AM
That was probably one of my tougher decisions with this wheelset. With the new offset Aeroheads for use in the rear you should be able to build a pretty strong wheel...

OTOH... I have a cyclocross wheelset built with Fusions that are pretty bulletproof.

I'm not doing Crits on these wheels but they will see some abuse with year round commuting, summer centuries, and general riding. Part of my deciding factor was looking at the chainstay clearance on my new frame (TIGHT) and thinking that I'd better have a rear wheel that doesn't go out of true very often! Thus... I went with the Fusion in the rear...