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Do campy Delta brakes work half as good as they Look?(13 posts)

Do campy Delta brakes work half as good as they Look?Bobha8
Dec 5, 2003 12:37 PM
I have been eyeing them up on ebay, thinking they would look good on my chorus filled Master Light. which allready looks much better than the rider.

Cheers,
Bob
Yeah, about half as good..............BIG RING
Dec 5, 2003 1:04 PM
A guy in my group ride has them on a Eddy Merckx from Motorola days. They look awesome, especially when they are clean, which is often. They work so-so from what he says. The guy has five bikes, most of which are Campy Record or Chorus. When he rides the Merckx with the Delta's he is always descending slower than usual because the braking power is musch less than what he has on his other bikes. He just seems to be more careful. But I'll tell you, those brakes are the first thing I notice when he pulls up.
Were those the ones with leverage problems?Cory
Dec 5, 2003 1:04 PM
I'm not a Campy expert, or even very interested, but there was one model of Campy brake that had dual pivots or some kind of monkey motion, and it didn't work very well. Seems to me they fixed it in a redesign the second year. Somebody will know for sure, but I remember reading about it. Might want to rule that out before you bid....
http://www.campyonly.com/roadtests/delta.htmlDougSloan
Dec 5, 2003 1:27 PM
http://www.campyonly.com/roadtests/delta.html
Half as good as they lookMel Erickson
Dec 5, 2003 1:44 PM
but about 1/10th as good as they cost!
1/10 as agood as they costkilimanjaro
Dec 5, 2003 2:35 PM
I think Peter white had a set for $600 on his website. I take it you think the functionality is worth $60 to you?

Cheers
Probably lessMel Erickson
Dec 5, 2003 4:26 PM
I just bought a brand new set of Cannondale Tetra dual pivot brakes for $15 which I'm sure will out stop the Deltas by a large margin. Not that I think badly of Deltas. I almost bought a pair to put on a new bike I'm building up. They would have looked sweet. Just that the seller woke up just before selling them to me and realized that $50 was waaaaaaay underpriced. Damn, would have been the steal of the century! Dual pivots are probably more than most need for JRA. I also almost got a pair of Campy Planar brakes, the second most beautiful brakes around, but when push came to shove the cheap side of me won and I bought the Cannondales. They look really nice on the bike I'm building, really, they do.
re: Do campy Delta brakes work half as good as they Look?Rob Sal
Dec 5, 2003 2:15 PM
They will work perfectly well if you set them up correctly. That means running them looser than you would dual pivots. Further gains can be made if you use more modern blocks than the originals. It is fair to say that you will get better outright power with dual pivots.....but I only ever use mine whilst holding the hoods.....even on steep hills, with no problems.
Yep, this is correct... proper set up is key...russw19
Dec 5, 2003 4:54 PM
You should run them loose enough that you can almost pull your wheel out with the tires pumped up. They have a cam type design or as someone put it, "monkey motion" but it works best if you don't overtighten them so they grab best about halfway thru the brake lever's pull.

And they origianlly had old asbestos pads.... if you use nice modern pads, they work as well as stuff like the Cane Creek single pivots. But then the Cane Creeks are 1/4 the weight and 1/3 the price. But they don't look as good as the Deltas.

Also the Croce d'Aune Deltas worked better than the Record Delta's as they had normal springs on the outside of the calipers, but they didn't look as good. They are also harder to find because Campy only made that group for 2 years. But if you find them, they are usually cheaper than the Record Deltas too.

Russ
Nothing wrong with DeltasKerry Irons
Dec 5, 2003 6:10 PM
I rode them for a decade and could always lock the rear wheel with ease and stop as fast as anyone in our group (I weigh 180 lbs/82kg). As with most stuff, proper set up is key. IMO the downsides to Deltas were weight and the cable anchor system, not stopping power. I always used the original brake pads, no problems. I think the Monkey Motion referred to was the strange articulation of the Croce d'Aune brake - not Deltas. Also, there were some design changes on the Deltas where they went to curved link bars and that may have changed the braking a bit.
re: Do campy Delta brakes work half as good as they Look?Bobha8
Dec 5, 2003 5:54 PM
do they make more modern pads for them?

Bob
re: Do campy Delta brakes work half as good as they Look?Rob Sal
Dec 6, 2003 1:37 AM
Bobha8, They don't make pads that fit the original holders anymore, though you can still find them if you really want them. I use pads/holders from some Athena dual pivots from several years ago instead.
Hell Yeah! And they are not heavy!unchained
Dec 5, 2003 9:00 PM
They have a nice, progressive feel which makes it more difficult to lock up a tyre, but it can be done.

They possess the same ultimate braking performance as any other caliper brake, but you may have to apply more effort to achieve it.

They weigh around 400gms per pair. For comparison modern dual pivots with Ti hardware are approx. 350gms, and differentials 300gms.

They were in production from '86-'93. Look for later versions with black bellows and tyre guides. Middle generation(s) are similar, but in white.

The earliest versions have a distinctive cable adjuster. They did not work as well as expected, and Campy was forced to reissue the single pivot Super Record brakes as the C Record Coboltos. They were the brakes with the blue "jewels" and Campagnolo script.

I have currently have Delta Brakes, Monoplaners, Record Dual Pivots & Record Differentials. Going down a steep hill, I prefer the Deltas because they are so predictable.