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Integrated headset questions...TFerguson
Dec 1, 2003 5:12 PM
I'm building up a couple of bikes that take integrated headsets (IS – What does IS stand for?) and this is my first experience with them. C'dale CADD 5 and KHS Flight 2000.

My assumption is that you purchase an IS headset and install it just like any threadless except you don't have to press in any cups. Are they all the same as far as how the bearings fit into the cup? Do you really need an IS fork with the larger crown race area? Are there any surprises?

Thanks,
TF
Compatibility issues...Akirasho
Dec 1, 2003 5:42 PM
There are more than two types of integrated/internal headsets on the market...and they are not interchangable (to my knowledge).

http://www.canecreek.com/site/home/index_h.html
http://www.canecreek.com/site/product/headset/index.html

I've got a Cannondale CAAD5 that uses a Campy Hiddenset... and a Klein Q Pro Carbon Team that uses a proprietary Cane Creek IS (oversized crown race bearing).

http://www.campagnolo.com/home.php
http://www.campagnolo.com/pdf/190-Hiddenset.pdf

Installation is generally straightforward, but it doesn't hurt to have instructions (available from websites... Campy's system does differieniate 'tween top and bottom bearings).

Some forks are designed to be more aesthetically pleasing with the oversized headtube on frames made for integrated headsets... but are not a necessity (while the 'Dale and Ksano use "Integrated" forks... the Klein does not).

Be the bike.
re: No experthudsonite
Dec 1, 2003 5:52 PM
I am no expert, but I can share with you my experience and research.

The IS stands for Integrated System.

There seems to be two standards for the Integrated Headset, the Cane Creek and the Campagnolo "Hiddenset". They are very similar, but not compatible from what I hear. Your frame takes one or the other.

The Cane Creek is the dominant standard. FSA makes CaneCreek compatible IS.

On my frame, the IS headset(FSA) came with the frame and it was very easy to install. It uses the races that are in the frame.

To measure, cut and install took about 1 hour. If you know what you are doing, you good do it much quicker.
Here's a link to some good info on headsetsMel Erickson
Dec 1, 2003 8:20 PM
Park Tool
http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_headtypes.shtml
Do you have the frames yet?Dave Hickey
Dec 2, 2003 5:04 AM
A lot of frames come with the IS headset already installed. My only experience with integrated headesets is my LOOK AL384. It came with a Cane Creek IS headest. It's very easy adjust and has been worry free all season..
Thanks all. I think I have it now, except...TFerguson
Dec 2, 2003 9:29 AM
the web site for the 2003 R2000 Double Féminine says, "the frame also features a super-light Campagnolo Hiddenset headset." in the text and lists the headset as, "Ritchey Si" in the specifications. I emailed them.

Thanks again,
TF
Received a reply from C'dale...TFerguson
Dec 2, 2003 4:43 PM
A Ritchey Si headset is Campy Hiddenset compatable. It is not compatable with the Cane Creek SI. Somebody at Ritchey should be shot.

TF
Shoot Cale....Rusty Coggs
Dec 2, 2003 5:30 PM
The caad5 was originally built for the campy hiddenset.The ritchey is likely a cheaper knockoff, and saves Cdale a few bucks.
... it's not just Ritchey...Akirasho
Dec 2, 2003 5:38 PM
... there is a fundamental marketing flaw running rampant within the industry with respect to headset standards... or the lack thereof...

Indeed, when I went to purchase a headset for my Klein, I was assured by a local dealer that the FSA would fit. After getting it home, it became obvious that the lower bearing wasn't gonna fit the fork! Took the headset and fork back to the LBS... and they were surprised as well (probably used to getting semi assembled as opposed to building up bare frames). The dealer promply popped the lower bearing out of showroom bike (good customer service) to make good (lesson learned by both of us... at least with respect to the Q Pro Carbon Team frame).

I remember reading press that Cannondale had gone with the Hiddenset a few years back... but you never know without checking... as anything can change during a production run. Adding to the confusion is when they change the component without noting that it's a direct replacement for another (Campy's Hidden for the Ritchey unit... agreed, their website makes no mention of Hiddenset compatibility... merely suggesting that it fits most popular integrated systems.

I always enjoyed some of the flexibility of traditional CK headsets... 1" threaded converted to 1" threadless... 1 1/8" threadless converted to 1" threadless... too bad we don't have that kind of flexibility across the board.

Be the bike.
integrated headset infowooden legs
Dec 2, 2003 9:46 PM
although slightly off the subject of compatability issues, the Chris King website has an interesting article on integrated headsets and their fundamental faults. i suppose it should be taken with a grain of salt, the source being a manufacturer that's reputation is based widely on its standard pressed headsets, but the tech info all checks out and makes sense, and it brings up good points about planned obsalescence and marketing falsehoods.

http://www.chrisking.com/tech/int_headsets_explained/int_hds_explain_1.html