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10 Speed Conversion Cassette - Am.Classic or Wheels Mfg? DA?(11 posts)

10 Speed Conversion Cassette - Am.Classic or Wheels Mfg? DA?MellowVelo
Nov 27, 2003 8:24 PM
Which way to go?? My primary bike has been converted to Campy Record.. I've got a pair of open pros with record hubs for training, but all of my good race wheels have Shimano freehubs. Is there an advantage to one or the other?? Also, I assume that the 10 speed DA cassettes do not work with Campy.. is this correct?

Thanks
re: 10 Speed Conversion Cassette - Am.Classic or Wheels Mfg? DA?russw19
Nov 27, 2003 9:19 PM
For race only wheels, I would go with the new American Classic Alloy cassette. It's the lightest, but it's a race only cassette. It's not durable enough to last that long, so don't train on it.

Otherwise here's roughly the breakdown of the others...
The regular steel American Classic is based off an Ultegra Cassette. It's going to be the heaviest of the bunch, but the cheapest as well.
Next would be the Wheels Ultegra based cassette... similar to the steel American Classic, but a little lighter, but also a little more expensive.
Then there's the Wheels based on the Dura-Ace cassette. This one is very nice. It's actually lighter than the steel Record cassette and costs about what a Campy Chorus cassette costs. A lot of people will tell you that it's expensive, but that's only when compared to the Shimano Dura-Ace cassette, but if you compare it to the Record cassette it's actually a pretty good bargain. Lighter, cheaper, and fits your Shimano wheels. And I have noticed that all of the above actually shift very well (I haven't ridden the American Classic Alloy cassette, but have ridden their regular and the Wheels cassettes.) I think a big part of that is the Shimano ramps on the cogs. I am a Campy guy, but I really think Shimano stuff shifts better. Their ramps on the cogs are why.

Hope this helps you,

Russ
re: 10 Speed Conversion Cassette - Am.Classic or Wheels Mfg? DA?MellowVelo
Nov 27, 2003 10:07 PM
Excellent help - Sounds like it's down to the AC alloy & the Wheels Mfg DA cassettes..

What is the durability issue with alloy cogs? I've heard this before, I've just never heard if they just wear quickly like the Ti cogs on DA & Record cassettes, or if they are likely to break or crack.

Thanks again
re: 10 Speed Conversion Cassette - Am.Classic or Wheels Mfg? DA?russw19
Nov 28, 2003 12:26 PM
They wear super fast.. American Classic states on their webpage that it will last 1000 miles. A race season for most if you only race on it.

Russ
re: 10 Speed Conversion Cassette - Am.Classic or Wheels Mfg? DA?altidude
Nov 29, 2003 6:34 AM
You said - "Then there's the Wheels based on the Dura-Ace cassette. This one is very nice. It's actually lighter than the steel Record cassette and costs about what a Campy Chorus cassette costs."

Really, costs about what a Chorus cassette costs huh, this sounds about as sensible as your garbage spewed about aero wheels and short gaps. Chorus 10 speed cassettes can be had for under $100 at any number of online places. The WM D/A cassette sells for about $160-170 depending on where you look. You consider a 60-70% price difference costing about the same?

Don't bother replying either, I've seen enough of your garbage on other threads to determine it's pretty much par for your course. More snake oil being sold, kinda like that idiot in the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales trying to pedal his "majic do it all tonic." ROTFLMAO.
re: 10 Speed Conversion Cassette - Am.Classic or Wheels Mfg? DA?_jim_
Nov 29, 2003 9:51 AM
russ, i hate to correct you, but the amclassic steel cassette is not a rehashed ultegra unit. it is built from scratch
Thanks Jim, I didn't know that... I stand corrected. nm.russw19
Nov 29, 2003 7:44 PM
Are your shimano freehubs on shimano hubs?Spunout
Nov 28, 2003 4:16 AM
Other manufacturers (except Shimano) have freehub bodies available so that you can switch systems. White industries will require a new axle and freehub body.
Are your shimano freehubs on shimano hubs?MellowVelo
Nov 28, 2003 10:38 AM
Well, I've got two Zipp rear wheels (303 & 909 disc) and a Ksyrium SL rear. Can the freehub bodies be replaced on those and how does that price compare to the $150 high end options for a cassette??
Call Branfordbike for zipp parts,Spunout
Nov 28, 2003 11:03 AM
I don't know much about Mavic parts but you should be able to get your LBS to tell you.

Current year Zipp freehub bodies are $100 uS. Plus if you run all one cassette format, you can interchange, swap, and fix up parts without worrying which is which.
Just to consider, I am gonna throw this in..russw19
Nov 28, 2003 12:37 PM
Just remember that Shimano wheels have a better resale value as they are more popular. However if you have both bodies it doesn't matter who you sell them to if you do resell them. But like I pointed out in my earlier post, the Wheels Dura-Ace converstion cassette is as light as the steel Record cassette but cheaper. And I personally think it shifts just as good. Some may say otherwise, but it's still got Shimano's shift ramps on the cogs. I agree it would be nice to have all one system and be able to swap, but just keep in mind that the conversion cassette is more cost effective. If you would normally buy a Record cassette, you paid more already, plus you have to buy the new body.

I am of the opinion to just get the Wheels DA cassette and be done with it.

But converting is still a valid option, especially if you plan to keep the wheels.. I have a tendency to replace wheels every year so the longest I would be riding the conversion cassettes is one year. For me that's two cassettes and it's cheaper to just get them than convert the bodies. But since the poster is using these as race wheels, having the option of putting mulitple cassettes for different race day conditions may be worth converting the bodies for.

Russ