|American Classic Road Hubs||scorpionking|
Nov 10, 2003 8:49 PM
|Are these hubs in their current design reliable? Have they gotten past problems which they used to have?|
|re: American Classic Road Hubs||russw19|
Nov 10, 2003 9:06 PM
|They did completely redesign the spring that was causing the problems with the rear freehub. I have a set from before the redesign that I haven't had a single problem wih, but not the newer ones, so I can't really say yes or no. But then most of the people here who have said bad things about them all seem to have gotten the older hubs too. I can't really prove that, but I haven't heard anyone on here in the very recent past say they just got a set that were bad. Seems to me that most who said that had a set fail all got their hubs before the summer, which is when they were redesigned. But then again, someone could just as easy get an old stock hub even today, as there is no guarantee that the bad ones are off the market as they weren't recalled to my knowledge. I would just call American Classic and see if they tell you if you bought a set today would you get the redesigned hub or not? Assuming you buy from them direct, that is.
|re: American Classic Road Hubs||gabaguy|
Nov 10, 2003 9:40 PM
|Mine are a year old. They are unreliable so I would not buy a "revamped" hub fro them. They should have gotten it right before they put them on the market.|
Nov 11, 2003 6:12 AM
|They should have gotten it right the first time. But as an owner of a set of 420's (pre-revamp) with about 3k miles of problem free abuse, I wouldn't throw in the towel on them yet. Light, Fast and relatively cheap.
btw- In defense of Am-Classic, they do stand behind their product. For those that did have problems I heard generally good things about their customer service.
Nov 11, 2003 6:59 AM
|Thanks for the responses. By the way, with the older hubs was the problem only with the rear hub or both? What was the specific problem with their hubs and how did they change the design this past summer to solve the previous problems. Are their hubs easily adjustable and can bearings or cartridges be replaced?|
|I bought a set in the Spring, and on the maiden voyage the rear||bill|
Nov 11, 2003 8:14 AM
|crapped out on me. The pawls simply stopped engaging. Sucked. I had to walk a couple of miles in my socks (I figured, socks are six bucks and feet heal, but carbon soles are 'spensive).
When I called them about the problem, the guy was pretty funny. "Oh, no, you're KIDDING!" Something about the way he said it made me a little suspicious of whether this really was a surprise to him (I hadn't heard about the problems previously). He never admitted it outright, but at another point he confirmed my suspicions when he said, "they either go right away or not at all."
In any case, they took the hub back and returned the wheel relatively quickly, with a pair of AmClassic socks for my troubles, and I've been happy with the wheels since. I don't have a ton of miles on them, but they've been used.
I believe that the problem was solely with the rear. I'm not sure about the replaceability of the bearing cartridges, but they're sealed, no maintenance, and came properly adjusted as far as I can tell.
Nov 11, 2003 5:47 PM
|I am not sure if this is 100% accurate, but it's close to what I was told by my American Classic rep. I didn't write it down and I only heard the story once, so this is going off memory, which isn't that great anymore, but here goes.
The hubs (and yes, it's only the rear freehub, the front is fine) are contracted out and made overseas. The maker of the hub read the tech drawings wrong and installed a spring in the freehub body backwards. The spring has prongs on each side, but one side is longer than the other. The longer side was to go on the outside, but the company that made the hubs had that backwards. After a few miles (could be 10, could be 100) that spring would set into place and because the prong was too long, it would catch the hub shell and start to gouge away at the hub's aluminium body. Eventually the spring would wear away at the areas that the freehub body's pawls would catch on and the freehub would spin both forwards and backwards.
Or at least that's what I was told. But it was from an outside rep, not someone who was at American Classic. So if anyone has anything other than that explaination that is more accurate, I would love to hear it. Keep in mind, my version may be off just because I am going off my limited memory, but it's something like that. The hub was later redesigned so that the spring in question wouldn't poke too far thru that hole even if the spring was misinstalled. They figured it the hub's maker could do it wrong and kill the hub, so could a consumer doing a rebuild.
Again, I can't confirm this story as anything more than hearsay, so take it soley as that.
Nov 11, 2003 7:29 PM
|I wonder why in such a situation, American Classic would not do a total recall of the rear hubs or wheels using these hubs and fix the problem by installing the spring correctly or making sure it is installed correctly. Seems like they have done a lot of damage to their hubs reputation by not taking a proactive role in fixing this problem as soon as they knew it developed assuming the reps story is true.|
|re: American Classic Road Hubs||t5rguy|
Nov 11, 2003 7:14 AM
|I guess this means you'll never buy a Campagnolo crankset because the Record cranks (70's - 80's) had a habit of cracking? They should have got it right the first time?|
|I got the 350's in August...||biknben|
Nov 11, 2003 12:31 PM
|I haven't had any issues with the hub. Everything is performing fine.|
Nov 11, 2003 8:16 PM
|I bought a set of 420's last year and had been pretty happy with them. My only beef is that when the rear hub became loose I called AC to ask how to adjust it and whether this had anything to do with the problems they were having with the rear hubs. The snotty british guy on the other end of the phone, basically said I was an idiot because I hadn't read the web site on how to adjust the hub, and no, AC hadn't had ANY problems with their rear hubs.
I may be an idiot, but it is only because I bought from AC. Seriously, the wheels I believe are fine, but if I had to do it over again, I would definitely look into some Custom Speeddream wheels or Campy Eurus. Just my .02.
Nov 11, 2003 8:38 PM
|lol what an idiot|
Nov 11, 2003 10:12 PM
|I talked to that same snot.....unbelievable.|
Nov 12, 2003 8:09 AM
|i've spoken to the guy in question. he was very helpful to me. perhaps you're both stupid|
Nov 12, 2003 8:49 AM
|Yeah, or perhaps you're a moron. You probably think most morons are helpful. LMAO|
Nov 12, 2003 9:44 AM
|oh boy, i just realized i cannot read directions. geez i must be a df|
Nov 12, 2003 10:33 AM
|self-realization is the first step to recovery.|
Nov 12, 2003 6:17 PM
|_jim_ most likely inherited his moron level mentality from his parents. Probably explains how the two of them hooked up. LOL.|
Nov 13, 2003 1:53 PM
|That you guys just had different experiences with the guy. Getting into a flame war over some reps attitude is pointless.
Just relax and take it easy.
|Did ya ever wonder what the guy was helping me with?||_jim__|
Nov 14, 2003 3:35 AM
|My dildo was broken and he was very helpful to so me how to put new batterys in there.
Now I can finally go &&*(&% myself!
BTW my dad was a 7-11 clerk that lost his drivers licence because he was a drunk and had to ride a bike to work everyday (where do you think I got my cycling experiece from).
He met my mom when she was 13 she wanted candy but did not have any money.
That is how I was born.
But the important thing here is how special I am!
It is something that I know!
I am better then everyone here!
I am the quintessential rodie!
I am going to shine!
Watch me glow boys!
|Did ya ever wonder what the guy was helping me with?||_jim_|
Nov 14, 2003 5:24 AM
|lol cute... the real jim would never kiss and tell anyway. obviously, some septic got his nose all bent out of shape, and is using my name. hmmm could be the bull or some other tosspot at work|
|Did ya ever wonder what the guy was helping me with?||altidude|
Nov 14, 2003 5:24 AM
|Based upon your initial wise azz remarks on this thread, the more appropriate question is, "do we care what he was helping you with"?|| |