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Wheels for my 110lb. sister?(16 posts)

Wheels for my 110lb. sister?853
Nov 4, 2003 8:59 AM
She just got a beautiful Orbea frame w/ a Ultegra/Dura-Ace mix. She is a good climber and needs something better than cheesey sora hubs on generic rims(it does not go w/ this bike). All that is left to get is a set of light semi aero clincher wheels that are not to pricey. Maybe she should get some Open Pro's w/Dura-Ace hubs w/ low spoke count?
Any suggestions? ... I'm also looking at used wheels.

Thanks
Open Pro/DA/Revo's/28 spoke? nmDougSloan
Nov 4, 2003 9:21 AM
www.oddsandendos.com :)weiwentg
Nov 4, 2003 1:24 PM
what's the budget? Mike Garcia now has his own line of hubs, interestingly enough - they look pretty light for the money. I'd try Velocity Fusions, 24f/28r, Ultegra rear hub, some other front hub (Mike will probably be able to set you up), wheelsmith AE15 spokes.
Wow, I like these for her...853
Nov 4, 2003 2:01 PM
Only 1380gm and under $400 - shipped!!
Will they last as daily wheels? ...she is only 110lbs.?

Thanks! They are the ones at the bottom of the page.

http://oddsandendos.safeshopper.com/2/cat2.htm?9
those are pretty coolDougSloan
Nov 4, 2003 3:31 PM
The rim weight isn't that much lower than an Open Pro; lots of savings in the hub and few spokes.

Doug
Be careful here!Kerry Irons
Nov 4, 2003 6:23 PM
Be sure you are comparing apples and apples. The important part of a wheel's weight is at the rim, so there's not much here that can't be done with a Record or DA hub. Undoubtedly these weights are without skewers, so you need to subtract around 120 gm from the weight of a Record or DA hub set to get a true weight comparison. Are these hubs really that much lighter than Record or DA? How do they do on durability. The failures of superlight equipment is often not related to power input, but rather just lack of manufacturing quality. You'll find that in reality, you're not saving much weight. You might consider the AC 350s, which though not very durable for most riders, would probably hold up well under 110 lbs.
Be careful here!russw19
Nov 4, 2003 10:33 PM
Kerry, the wheels he is looking at are almost identical to the American Classic 350's. The only difference is that the IRD rim uses an eyelet and the American Classic doesn't. But the wheels he is looking at are built on the same American Classic hubs as the 350's. I am a HUGE fan of Bill's wheels at American Classic, but the 350's have problems. They really are a race day only wheel, no matter how well you build them, they seem to have problems staying true (words from Bill's own mouth) and IRD adding eyelets seems to have helped that out some. If you ask me, or if you called American Classic, I bet they would tell you the same thing... get a pair of low spoke count 420's instead if you plan to ride them all the time. They are built with a heavier rim, but it's way stronger than the 350 rim.

And for the record, yes, the American Classic hubs are quite a bit lighter than Dura-Ace or Record hubs, with the Ti skewers, they are over 180 grams lighter, with stainless skewers they are still over 150 grams lighter.

Just some FYI stuff...

Russ
Is this correct?divve
Nov 5, 2003 3:45 AM
AM Classic hub weight F68g + R234 = 302g
Record F123g + R248g = 371g

both without skewers
I compared American Classic w/skewers to Dura-Ace w/s, nmrussw19
Nov 5, 2003 8:46 AM
Am Classic to Campy comparison...russw19
Nov 5, 2003 9:11 AM
The Amercican Classic weights you have are slightly off...
Front Micro hub is 68 grams, Rear Road is 225 grams.
American Classic Ti Skewers are Front 39 grams, Rear 41 grams, Stainless Skewers are Front 47 grams, Rear 51 grams.

Total with Ti skewers, 373 grams.
Total with Stainless skewers, 391 grams.

Record hubs with standard Campy Skewers are Front 181 grams, Rear 316 grams.

Total for Campy w/ Campy Skewers 497 grams.

So for Campy they are still 100 to 125 grams lighter.

I suppose you could argue that the skewers are not a fair comparison, but I think it is.. If you buy the hubset, you get the skewers with them... so add them in.

But even without it's still a 78 gram difference between the American Classics over Record...

And here's some more numbers to be fair... I just did some checking...

New Dura-Ace 10 speed is listed at 188 grams front hub (including 59 grams for the skewer) and 328 grams for the rear (including 64 grams for the skewer) For a total of 516 grams.

Now the prices all seem to be inversely proportional to the weights (as one may expect..) The American Classics are the most expensive at $325 with Stainless Skewers and $355 with the Ti Skewers (price according to their website) the Record hubs are $206 a pair at Colorado Cyclist, 9 speed Dura-Ace are $150 a pair (also at CC) and 10 speed Dura-Ace is $267 (at CC) so the more you spend, the lighter they get.

By the way, if anyone is interested, Colorado Cyclist has slotted 32 hole Dura-Ace 7700 front hubs on sale for $17! Get em while you can!

Russ
the front AMC hub is indeed extremely light. nmdivve
Nov 5, 2003 9:46 AM
am classic rears seem to be a bit heavier than claimedweiwentg
Nov 5, 2003 7:14 PM
around 234g (check weightweenies.starbike.com). front hub weights are as spot on as you get in the bike industry. so the rear is not that much lighter than anything out there, but the front is. the rear hubs, though, have that nice high-flange design ... I think it looks cool. I don't know if it translates into a stronger wheel.
as far as wheels go, I tend to prefer aero to light. I'd go with the Fusions, or Ritchey aero rims (which have offset rears). besides, we're not talking that much heavier than open pros - around 40g a rim, minus some savings from the reduced spoke count. I'm sure someone will tell me that aero wheels are useless in the peloton, but I do tend to like to get into breaks.
am classic rears seem to be a bit heavier than claimedrussw19
Nov 5, 2003 8:11 PM
Two things... My rear American Classic with a Campy Freehub body was actually lighter than claimed.. it was 223 grams... mine with the Shimano freehub was 226 on the same scale (one in my Chemisty class' labratory, so I trust it.)

Also, if you check some of the recent stuff on anyaliticcycling.com they have more than one article that pretty much states that in most real world situations above (I think) 9 mph that aero trumps light when it comes to wheels. So other than super slow steep climbs, you are better off with more aero wheels than lighter wheels. Which may explain why so many in the Euro Peloton are riding Mavic Cosmos wheels and other aero wheels that seem heavy to most of us.

I think there is some stuff on Zipp's webpage to say the same thing too.

I am no expert on that subject, so it's worth looking into without taking my word for it.

Russ
am classic rears seem to be a bit heavier than claimedweiwentg
Nov 6, 2003 6:04 AM
> My rear American Classic with a Campy Freehub body was actually lighter than claimed.. it was 223 grams...

are you a lucky b------d, or did you pull strings? :) anyway, my wheelbuilder did weigh the hubs, and the weight weenies' site did, too. could be something to do with the different versions of the hub... I dunno.

> Also, if you check some of the recent stuff on anyaliticcycling.com ...

that's why I built my wheels the way I did. they're no Cosmics, but they're pretty aero. and light.
am classic rears seem to be a bit heavier than claimedscorpionking
Nov 10, 2003 9:49 PM
If you think AC wheel weights are not that accurate, try checking out Campy factory wheels. their advertised weights are not close to their true weights. Eurus wheels weigh 1715 grams with skewers and those skewers do not go 150 grams which is what they would have to be to believe Campy's claimed weight of 1570 grams.
It's very simaler to the American Classic 350.russw19
Nov 4, 2003 10:16 PM
The IRD Cadence rim is the exact same rim as the American Classic 350 rim, except that the IRD has spoke eyelets and the AMC doesn't. So the IRD should be a little stronger, but slightly heavier. IRD lists the weight at around 395 grams. Another great new rim to look at is the Swiss made DT 1.1 road rim. It's sweet and I think it may be a wheelset I build for myself this year.

At your sister's size, build with 28 spokes, 2 cross front, 2x non-drive rear, 3x drive rear and use revolution spokes with alloy nipples. Should be plenty light, but still stong enough for everyday use. If you have a little more money to spend, have her wheels built with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. They are the absolute strongest spokes on the market (strong enough for downhill racing) but almost as light as titanium spokes. If you use those with the Polyax nipples they will be just as light. With the right hubs you can easily build a 1400 to 1450 gram wheelset for her with these spokes.

Check out the specs on the Sapim spokes at www.sapim.be They are used by most top euro teams and are well worth their hype and price. I swear by them and I outweigh your sister by a little over a hundred pounds.

Russ