|2004 Dura-ace cranks looks to chunky..||jvr-oclv|
Sep 30, 2003 5:35 AM
|I sure don't like the looks of the new 2004 Dura-ace cranks.
They just look slow and bulky. I like the 2003 style much better. And like FSA looks also.
Why did they make the big chain ring so stinking BIG/WIDE??
Sep 30, 2003 7:25 AM
|Dura-Ace is for racing, where performance and weight are the key factors. If you want your bike to look good parked in front of Starbucks, then you could get away with Tiagra quality.
USPS riders don't make their bikes look slow and bulky. I, on the other hand, make my bike look slow and bulky, but I don't use Dura-Ace either.
|they should look fine with oversized AL tubes||gtx|
Sep 30, 2003 8:52 AM
|which is what most racers are riding these days, anyway. They are ugly, but it seems like a great design (assuming the q factor is reasonable). I definitely prefer them to the plastic Campy cranks (sorry, I meant carbon fiber). If you want something more elegant, check out the Ritchey cranks (see my post below) though I'm not sure how they'll work with the 10speed system.|
|Make them smaller. Here's how...||Fez|
Sep 30, 2003 9:28 AM
|Some guy in the biz said you can substitute the 2003 crankset and BB into an otherwise complete 2004 DA 10 speed group.
It would be like "Stealth" 10 speed.
As ugly as 2004 cranks are, they are substantially stiffer.
|but... but... but...||lokstah|
Sep 30, 2003 9:44 AM
|Everything I've read says the '04 crankset is the group's most significant technological improvement in terms of weight, stiffness, and function, if not also being the most recognizable piece (where prestige is concerned, not that it is a concern, never, no).
I had been mulling over the mantra "if you upgrade only one piece, make it the crankset..."
Sure it's a bit ugly, but so is so much of cycling; ugly sexy.
Sep 30, 2003 10:12 AM
|You know, 9speed Dura Ace is not chopped liver for most folks. Its pretty darn good. If you want the functionality of 10 speed but hate the looks, using the old crankset/BB is a POSSIBLE solution (don't know cuz I haven't seen anyone do it).
But looks, prestige and having the latest and greates is important for some, so those folks may want the new stuff, regardless of how chunky it looks.
And for those who actually NEED the increased stiffness and other advantages of the new crankset/BB, then its a no-brainer.
Sep 30, 2003 10:27 AM
|Ahhh, the old issue of need. This is always the heart of the matter when you're talking about high-end stuff. Who needs the incremental stiffness advantage of the '04 crankset? If anyone, it's the absolute professional elite, whose careers depend on edging each other out. That's no one here, needless to say.
I'm building a new rig this winter and I'm seriously wavering as to what drivetrain components I'll choose; I may take advantage of the savings that will be available on pre '04 DA stuff, which would probably be a smart thing to do.
Like others, though, I'm also considering a partial upgrade, and how you go about that depends on your budget and your priorities. I'm happy with Shimano's 9 speed system, and I'm not convinced that an extra cog is worth an extra few hundred dollars.
I'm leaning towards taking one or two of the more interesting elements of the new group and working them into the old 9 speed group... in that case, the crankset is probably the way to go. I like the idea of picking up a bit of new technology, losing a few grams, and gaining a little clout all in one flashy new part.
|it's an acquired taste... ;-) nm||DougSloan|
Sep 30, 2003 12:36 PM
|Is it the cranks or the chainrings?||JimP|
Sep 30, 2003 12:37 PM
|If it is the ring, wont the "old" 53 still work on the 130mm bcd?
|Is it the cranks or the chainrings?||lokstah|
Sep 30, 2003 1:01 PM
|I'm not a mechanic and I haven't played with one of these up close yet, but I don't think the old and the new rings/cranks are compatible. What do we not like the look of more, anyways? The crank/spider or the chunky ring?
Actually, neither bothers me, which is why I might get one.
|re: 2004 Dura-ace cranks looks to chunky..||hudsonite|
Sep 30, 2003 1:11 PM
|The first picture I saw made me say 'What the h*ll were they thinking of'. They had to be the ugliest crank set I had ever seen.
Now that I have seen many more picutres of 'production' DA 2004' quality cranks, the design appear to work.
I will withhold final judgement until I see them in person. They may look great in real life or they may look dumb. We will see.
|Better off spending the money on a coach||LC|
Sep 30, 2003 2:02 PM
|Very few guys on this forum will benefit from the "increased stiffness" of the new crankset, so it will a complete waste of money. Don't think that 1 extra cog is going to help you either unless your at the very top of your game. If a CAT 1 racer shows up to your group ride with old 8 speed components do you think that you have any hope of keeping up if he puts the hammer down just cause you got one or two more cogs than he does?
Don't send Japan or Italy your money hoping it will make you faster or more stylish. Spend the money and time right there in your own home town on a coach and then you will see big improvements.
|Better off spending the money on a coach||lokstah|
Sep 30, 2003 2:33 PM
|On that note, most people on this forum could probably ride roughly as well as they do now under most circumstances if they traded their hot rod for a chro-moly Univega with RSX100. I think for most of us, though (and certainly for me), the gadgetry is part of the fun, as is the paint job, the "cultural implications" of the make, and the sort of bar-tape you select.
If you've got enough love to care that Shimano made their new crankset with radical aesthetics, and that the bike industry sells big technology to pros and enthusiasts alike, and you've got a bike budget set aside every now and then, then by gosh, make the upgrade.
It's all about fun.
|re: 2004 Dura-ace cranks looks to chunky..||dmoulton|
Sep 30, 2003 3:29 PM
|I hear all the thoughts and comments voiced here, and there's a lot of sense in all of them.
I have actually seen and touched the '04 stuff, and even went for a quick spin on it. Personally I like what I saw and how it felt.
My question is, does anyone know when this will be available for sale as a group, rather than as part of a new bike purchase? My LBS said they haven't gotten the final word in that regard yet.