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Let's talk tiresnewridr
Aug 25, 2003 6:38 PM
I was out on my group ride here in northern NJ and I had a blowout on the front tire. It actually occured through the sidewall of my Conti GP3000. I keep them at 115 psi and visually inspect them after every few rides. These tires have about 1,000 miles on them which seems a bit premature to have a sidewall blowout. I'n any case, I'll be getting some new tires.

What is everyone else running and how do you like them???
re: Let's talk tirescloset roadie
Aug 25, 2003 8:09 PM
I had some Continental Grand Prix "S" that came on my bike and by about 900 miles the sidewalls were fairly thrashed (enough that I was worried about a blowout), even though there was plenty of tread left. I've got 1400 miles on some Bontrager Race Lights and they've held up well and handle way better than the Conti's did. The rear is getting pretty squared off (guess I should corner harder!), so I just ordered some Hutchinson Carbon Comp Airlights. They're real light,185 grams I think, but I'm not sure they'll hold up as well as the Bontragers.
re: Let's talk tiresbjarne
Aug 25, 2003 10:49 PM
Veloflex record.
After you tried them, you simply can´t go back.
They way 130g, which is 90g less than Vittoria CX, and they roll so sweet, that I have to say, they are the best and biggest change I have ever made on my bike.
Love Veloflexfiltersweep
Aug 26, 2003 6:27 AM
I love my veloflex, but I'm using Pave for race clinchers- they are just too nice (and soft) for everyday riding. 130g is just too light for my blood- esp for everyday riding. They are a soft tire, which gives them a great feel, but of course the tradeoff is durability. They make the Pro Races I normally use feel like garden hoses. The Record's I'd guess have absolutely NO flat protection. I don't think they 'd make good training tires.
Try the Veloflex Paveamper
Aug 27, 2003 5:08 PM
I've been riding the Veloflex Pave tires for a few months now and I find it hard to go back to anything else. They are so fun to ride! Craftsmen make these tire and the quality shows. At 180Grams they are extremely light. When pumped up to spec they are perfectly round and the sidewalls even. Rolling resistance and road feel is better than the Continental Grand Prix, Vredestein Tri Comp, and Michelins. You owe it to yourselves to try out the Velofex Pave, you will not regret it. http://www.sdeals.com/system/index.html has the Vredestein Tri Comp for about $21.00 US at that price they cannot be beat.
Pretty sure the Bontragers are made by Continental nmLone Gunman
Aug 26, 2003 4:28 PM
The geniuses on this board suggestedpitt83
Aug 26, 2003 6:01 AM
Vrdenstein Fortezza Tri Comp. I needed new rubber after cuts and again, after a small crash and tried this ofetn suggested tire. No others seemed to grab my attention.

Unbelievably durable! I have hit the ocasional glass patch and no damage. OK, sometimes you getaway with those. Wednesday, I'm out for my TT training ride and hit a headlight casing! No damage. These are the toughest tire I've ever owned. The Vittoria Open Corsa were a bit stickier and may have cornered a bit better, but they sure flatted easily; even with the Kevlar belt.

Of course I'm jinxing myself now.

Thanks board! I even bought them via that annoying pop-up ad (Figure if somehow RBR survives via click through, at least that's a viable purchase). Price was better than anyone else too.
I like the Verdenstein's alsobimini
Aug 26, 2003 10:10 AM
I use to run Continentals but switched to Verdensteins. I was lucky to get 2-3 months out of the GP3000's. Side walls were sensitive to scuffing and flat spots developed within a 1000 miles. I even wore clear through the tread on outing this spring trying to climb a wet sandy hill. Went trough the rubber like sandpaper. Left a 2" long bare spot on the tire.

I have had the Tricomps for about 3 months and 2000 miles and they look and feel like new. The red Tricomps also look nice on my red and silver bike and red anodized open pro rims. I also like to pump them up to 145-150 for races and such. They are harsh at 150 but at 120 the ride is very smooth. I also feel very confident making tight turns at speed (on dry clean pavement)with the Tri Comps.

I have tried a couple of other brands, my next set will be another set of red tricomps.
Sidewalls never "just" blow out.MR_GRUMPY
Aug 26, 2003 6:42 AM
It's always because you nicked a sharp rock or piece of glass. On the other hand, if your tire is 10 years old and dry rotted, I guess it could blow by itself.
Train&Race, milage, flats- veloflex , cont attack, prorace litejjdbike
Aug 26, 2003 7:38 AM
I am looking one tire set for training & racing. Want a lighter replacement for my Michilin Prorace. I have wanted to try Veloflex Pave for the lightness & feel, but am curious about Prorace light & Contenental's Attack which is much heavier but may make up for it in durability. Are Paves flat prone & how much shorter can I expect them to last? Does any one have any input & or experience?
Thanks
Train&Race, milage, flats- veloflex , cont attack, prorace litefiltersweep
Aug 26, 2003 8:00 AM
Paves weigh 180g for 700X22... I've yet to flat on mine, but they are not used daily. I think you'd be nuts to use any light tire (sub 200g) for BOTH training and racing if you are talking of using the same set for both. Do you really need ultralight tires for training? To me, it would be a waste of money.

Paves are available on ebay for about $60/pair from "euromike" whom I highly recommend. You'll receive them faster than most mail order houses.
I would suggest Michelin ProRace for all-rounder ;-) nmSpunout
Aug 26, 2003 8:19 AM
re: Let's talk tirestarwheel
Aug 26, 2003 8:01 AM
I've tried a lot of different brands of tires and keep coming back to Michelins. Conti GP 3000s have their fans, but I found that they squared off in the back pretty quickly. They also are more prone to sidewall failures (primarily from hitting rocks), according to reports I've heard.

Unless you have a unlimited cycling budget, it seems kind of ridiculous to use very light tires like Veloflex to me. Michelin Axial Pros (since replaced by Pro Races) last 1500-2000 miles in the back for me, which is pretty decent. Supposedly the Pro Race is even more durable. The Michi Axial Carbons are slightly heavier and are supposed to last even longer with good puncture resistance. I've also had good luck with Michi Hi-Lite Prestige, which performancebike.com often has on sale for about $20 -- but they only come with red sidewalls.

Another good inexpensive tire is the Panaracer Stradius. I got some of these for $25 (full retail) at REI and they wear well and handle fine.

For excellent everyday low prices on tires, send an email to critusa@aol.com. They typically sell Michi Pro Races for less than $30 each and Axial Carbons for about $24.
Confirm or reject this rumorpedalAZ
Aug 26, 2003 9:37 AM
I heard today that the various colors of Michelin Pro Race perform differently, with some having less rolling resistance. Color me skeptical.
Confirm or reject this rumortarwheel
Aug 26, 2003 10:50 AM
I haven't tried the Michi Pro Race tires yet, but have gone through a bunch of Axial Pros. For some reason, I've rarely ever gotten a flat (maybe one) with my black Axial Pros but have gotten a bunch with the gree
Confirm or reject this rumorfiltersweep
Aug 26, 2003 1:11 PM
Only thing I've "heard" is that all blacks contain more carbon.
Axial carbons are amazing!Mink
Aug 26, 2003 11:42 AM
After years of struggling with tyres that seem to self-destruct, I'm running Michelin Axial Carbons on both my bikes - one set has 6,400 km and still has a lot of life left (now doing service on the indoor trainer) and the other set are still showing their centre moulding lines (even on the back tyre) at 1,850km. One flat on the old set (an unequal argument with a broken bottle). But best of all, they ride wonderfully well. I keep a set of Pro Races for.. races, but whenever I use them I realise the Carbons are almost as good, and not much heavier (236 vs 222g actual weight). I've read that the Carbons aren't that great in wet weather, but I don't ride all that much in the rain, and when I have (like today) they seemed fine.
Last a long time, watch wet corners...Spunout
Aug 27, 2003 3:39 AM
They last long, I think mine are cracking and crystallizing before really wearing out. I'll replace them anyways.

When it comes time to increase your performance, watch out. I raced them last night in a rainy crit, and the slide is unnerving. I didn't use my race wheels (with ProRace) due to the rain.
you should have used your pro racesweiwentg
Aug 27, 2003 5:55 AM
they're absolutely fine in wet corners. I have personal experience - did a wet crit (in fact, it rained just enough that oil was on the road and didn't get washed off) and never slipped even once.
Don't laughCrankist
Aug 26, 2003 8:34 AM
Performance Pro SL
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=16501
This appears to be a re-labeled Panaracer Stradius TT.
Rated @ 150 psi. Run @ 130/120 fr./rear is a merely good tire. At 110/105 it offers an incredibly smooth ride with excellent traction. I tend to press the limits of tire adhesion on corners, so I say this with confidence. I have found them to be the equal or better of pro race across the board, with better traction than the touted Vitt. CX, athough yes, a hair lacking in suppleness compared to the CX. My weight 180. Plain black - I like! Sale now: about $19 per. Not enough miles (350)to comment on life.
Don't laughWheelsuker
Aug 27, 2003 9:45 AM
My Performance Forte's from a couple years ago were horrible. Delaminated really quickly. I decied it was worth the cash for Conti's. Maybe they are better now!!
re: Let's talk tiresdickruthlynn
Aug 26, 2003 12:58 PM
I have 5,000 miles on a set of Michelin Axial Pros fitted to a Y-Foil. Only 1 flat. Although, there are numerious cuts on the side walls. I weigh 160 and rotate the tires every 1,500 miles.
Currently riding Vittoria Techno ProLone Gunman
Aug 26, 2003 4:39 PM
So far I like them, probably about 600 miles or so on them, nice rolling supple tires. Seen them advertised for $25 per tire in Sierra trading post, got mine from Supergo. Rode Contis for several years last few sets have delaminated a bit to the point where you see it and get nervous about riding them. May try Gommaitalia @ $55 a pair from Excel, not sure if Techno Pro's will be around a long time.
Conti successKerry Irons
Aug 26, 2003 4:42 PM
My wife and I have been riding Conti GP and GP 3000 for a combined 70K miles and have never had a sidewall failure. You just had bad luck. Contis with the gumwall treatment do tend to get threadbear, but that does not mean they are nearing failure. As stated by another poster, you must have sustained a sidewall cut to cause this problem.
Michelin Pro Race 23's get my vote. (nm)Al1943
Aug 26, 2003 7:44 PM
Maybe it's coincidence but I think I hear more about sidewall failures with Continentals than with other brands. The tread seems to wear well though.
~Al