Aug 25, 2003 9:25 AM
|Well, I go a magazine last week and it had a picture of a beautiful cranksent that brought back some memories. It was a Suntour Supurbe. I have had 2 bikes with Suntour Components and they both looked god and functioned well.
Suntour used to make some great stuff. It would be nice to see them make a full high end road group again. THe cranks look great though. Hope there are more parts to follow.
|re: Suntour Superbe||MShaw|
Aug 25, 2003 10:17 AM
|Yeah, too bad that STI thing killed them off... I still miss Superbe Pro.
|You're not saying SR-Suntour is selling||OldEdScott|
Aug 25, 2003 10:21 AM
|a new version of the Superbe Pro cranket, are you??|
|You're not saying SR-Suntour is selling||Alpedhuez55|
Aug 25, 2003 12:38 PM
|Actually the other picture appears to be an older version, maybe a 2002. This is the 2003 from Suntour's website. It looks like they are pinned chainrings on this one.|
|Yes... believe it or not- nm||filtersweep|
Aug 25, 2003 2:12 PM
|Ed, there's been a remarkable amount of||sn69|
Aug 26, 2003 7:34 AM
|Suntour NOS stuff on eBay lately, including a fair amount of their later stuff. I just picked up a front d that I'm going to put on my commuter in your honor, in fact (I was going to surprise you with that, but I thought you might need the emotional soothing at the moment). In fact, a couple of days ago there was an entire NOS/NIB Accushift set, including the casette, chain, rear d, front d and downtube shifters. Search around in road bicycle parts and accessories. If you run a search for Suntour, you'll find a lot of stuff.
FWIW, I damn near bid on that Accushift set just to get really nostalgic. I hesitated and it got snapped up.
Aug 26, 2003 8:19 AM
|Which front d did you get? I'm running a Cyclone Mk II front d/Superbe Pro rear d on my Miyata right now. (I've been experimenting with the setup of that bike for years now. Last winter, I took the wonderful self-trimming (DAMN clever!) Suntour Symetric friction shifters off and put Kelly Take Offs on. Now I'm longing for the Symetrics again).
As far as Accushift, uh, it's one of the few Suntour deals I can't recommend. They never seemed to get the hang of indexing. I don't think their hearts were in it. UNLESS that setup included COMMAND shifters! Whew!
Them Command shifters (second generation, the more elegant black ones) was just the bee's knees. (For those who don't know, Command Shifters were Suntour's belated answer to STI. They looked like giant wingnuts affixed to your brake hoods. Sigh).
|Command Shifter pic||OldEdScott|
Aug 26, 2003 9:13 AM
|One more try:||OldEdScott|
Aug 26, 2003 9:18 AM
|See? Even a war-mongering political agnostic||sn69|
Aug 26, 2003 11:47 AM
|such as myself can still show the appropriate amount of respect for his seniors, even when they are bourbon drinking, bleeding panty wastes.
That aside, I bought an 85 XC front d just to play around with. It's got a large cage, which I thought might work well with a range of chainring combos. I've also got a bid in on a set of late model Cyclone front and rear d's.
I can't particularly explain this obsession. I think I just want to build this bike using a different perspective than the boring old Shimano/Campy argument (the bike parallel of American politics, methinks). Those parts that I accumulate but don't use can live in comfort and peace in my parts bin. I was equally intrigued by a 175mm Superbe crankset, but it's already rocketing up in price. I'll stick with Stronglights for now. Likewise, I've got current DA downtube shifters that I'll run in friction mode until I find some 7 spd-specific stuff that I like.
Speaking of old school, my father-in-law just dropped off a 74 Raliegh Competition with later model Super Record stuff on it. He asked if I could clean it up for him and make it work well. Ooof....I'm trying in vain to convince him to send the frame to Joe Bell or Cycleart to get redone. It's a gem. It's gonna be even harder to convince him to pull that horrid Spec. Body Geometry brick off of the post in favor of a lovely honey Brooks....
|Suntour? Stronglight? Honey Brooks? You have||OldEdScott|
Aug 27, 2003 4:54 AM
|exquisite taste, my young friend. And you're right, the Raleigh Comp MUST have a H.B., else it will never be complete.
It always amuses me to think that NO one answers the eternal Campy vs. Shimano question correctly, since in any discussion of what's best in componentry, the real answer is 'Suntour.' If they'd just caught that indexing wave in '86 ...
|Suntour? Stronglight? Honey Brooks? You have||sn69|
Aug 27, 2003 11:08 AM
|Sorry for the delayed response, Ed. It's been a busy morning; we had one of our people killed in a civilian accident this weekend. Not fun....
Yeah, I agree--there are a great many components that lack their proper credit: Kooka, Grafton, Paul, Boone, Phil Wood. Alas, far too many of them went away before their time....
|re: Suntour Superbe||JELLIOTWELLS|
Aug 25, 2003 11:01 AM
|I actually have this crankset on my Specialized Allez A1, but assumed it was junky. Do you know how much it weighs? I was considering replacing it with ultegra, but only if there was a weight benefit.|
|JUNKY? Good Lord!||OldEdScott|
Aug 25, 2003 11:09 AM
|It's top of the line stuff. In the Suntour heirarchy, it was competitive with Dura-Ace.|
|JUNKY? Good Lord!||JELLIOTWELLS|
Aug 25, 2003 11:13 AM
|Good to know. Did you have any info on the weight?|
|JUNKY? Good Lord!||Alpedhuez55|
Aug 25, 2003 11:44 AM
|I could not find weight information on either the Rivendell or Suntour sites.|
|The operative word is WAS...||Rusty Coggs|
Aug 25, 2003 1:36 PM
|.......times have changed. That Suntour and that Superbee Pro is long gone ,and someone else bought the name. The new stuff may be the same or lesser quality.|
Aug 26, 2003 7:37 AM
|A bit of clarification:||OldEdScott|
Aug 26, 2003 8:10 AM
|Rivendell has a Superbe Pro crankset for sale in its online catalogue, but they specify that it's NOS from 1990, when Suntour was Suntour. That was the good stuff. That was componentry at its best.
The new Superbe crankset(s)on the SR Suntour site, I can't vouch for. As was pointed out, the 'new' Suntour has about as much to do with old Suntour as new Motobecane has with old Motobecane -- i.e., they bought the brand name and trade on some of the glamour of the old product lines when they introduce their 'new' products.
It'd be great if the new Suntour recaptured the innovative glory of the old, but I've not heard anyone make that claim for them yet.
|I think that new Suntour lives in the realm of Stronglight;||sn69|
Aug 26, 2003 11:15 AM
|known only to those that seek it out. I, for one, have yet to see an LBS stock the stuff, although I bet you can find a lot of it in some of the fine LBSes I saw last time I was in Hong Kong (wonderous city, I might add).
It might be worth having your LBS check the QBP catalog to see what they've got. For that matter, AEBike might be able to answer your questions on line.
...Back to your pictures, now. Incidentally, I didn't get the accushift stuff.
|Great article, Czar, thanks. nm||sn69|
Aug 26, 2003 11:38 AM
|They came stock on my TREK 1000...||FL_Rider|
Aug 25, 2003 4:47 PM
|8spd Triple Cranks(Square taperd.)
Don't know if these are the same as the "Old Days" but I swicthed them out for 105 Double Cranks.
Now it's off to the spare bin for them. Don't know if theey are still a higher quality crankset, but the shifted realy nice.
|and that's all you need to know....||surly357|
Aug 28, 2003 8:58 PM
|really, no matter how functional it might be, if it's stamped "Taiwan", has steel inner ring(s), and is OEM on a sub $600 road bike, of course it's not a high quality crankset anymore. Swapping it out was a good move, do the brake calipers next and your bike will feel like it cost a grand!|| |