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Shimano Cassette with Campy Drive Train?(16 posts)

Shimano Cassette with Campy Drive Train?BigFatSal
Aug 12, 2003 7:37 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but just for a spare wheel, would I be able to use my old wheel, that has a Shimano 105 9-speed cassette, on a bike that has a Campy Chorus or Record 10-speed drive train??? Just curious if it would work and not damage anything... I know it's possible to put a Campy hub and cassette on the old wheel but then it would need to be switched back and forth between the old bike (Shimano d-train) and the coming-shortly, new bike (Campy d-train). Just looking for the fast, easy switch in case I ever need to substitute the wheel....
Fast and easy with campy! You should know better!the bull
Aug 12, 2003 9:02 PM
If you chang the freebody on the wheel and get a campy cassette it will work.
You could get a coversion cassette that is 10 speed that will work on the shimmano spline.
The 10 speed and 9 are different spacing and will not work though.
Good luck
Yup.....BigFatSal
Aug 13, 2003 4:13 AM
You're right I should know better! But I sometimes come down with a case of blind optimism, with a touch of unrealism.... Thanks! ;>)
not quite right...C-40
Aug 13, 2003 5:04 AM
Change the cassette body on a shimano hub? To what? No one makes a conversion cassette body that I'm aware of.

Yes, a conversion cassette would be the answer to get 10 cogs with the proper spacing.

As for the spacing difference, campy 10 spacing is 4.12mm and shimano 9 is 4.32. This is the same (.2mm) error per shift as there is between campy 9 speed (4.55mm) and shimano 9 speed (4.32mm). Many folks seem to tolerate a campy 9 derailleur over shifting a shimano 9 cassette, so it would be interesting to see how well it works with an undershifting situation of the same amount. Of course, to make it shift anywhere near correctly, the derailleur would probably need readjustment to split the error evenly from the center cog.
Not really conversion cassette bodies...Spunout
Aug 13, 2003 6:32 AM
But assuming the poster has mavic or some other third party hubs, new freehub bodies are easily switched out.

Maybe the poster even has campagnolo wheels with shimano bodies! As campagnolo does this, I wonder if shimano would every make a campagnolo splined body? Probably not, they do engineer for exclusion of all others.

Gone are the Campagnolo/Regina/Simplex/Stronglight/Mavic/Suntour days when everything worked with everything.
Works for me.jzinckgra
Aug 13, 2003 8:38 AM
I've got 2001 campy chorus equip. and use a DA 9 speed casette and it works great. No mis-shifts. In fact, I've got 2 DA casettes on two different sets of wheels so I can exchange wheelsets whenever I have to without having to pull the casette off every time. On both wheelsets, shifting works perfectly.
10 speed campy?C-40
Aug 13, 2003 9:33 AM
Are you mixing 10 speed campy with 9 speed shimano cassettes? That's the question.
not quite right either...C-40
Aug 13, 2003 9:34 AM
The only mavics that can be swapped out are the top of the line 2001 and newer models with the FTS hub (Ksyrium Elite and above). Lower level wheels still come with the shimano/M10 cassette body and can't be swapped out.
Sorry I have ...the bull
Aug 13, 2003 10:40 AM
been living in Mavic land for some time now.I did not realize you could not pop off the Shimmano ones.
Most of these efforts are worth a try.dzrider
Aug 13, 2003 12:45 PM
The limit screws should prevent the extra shift from being a problem and I find lots of these combinations have worked. Those that don't work perfectly sometimes make predictable errors that you can learn how to handle. Good luck.
Thanks to all. I'll give it a shot and see what happensBigFatSal
Aug 13, 2003 5:06 PM
Well, we'll see how it goes. I'll throw on the old rear wheel (a Spinergy Rev X with a 9-speed Shimano 105 cassette) onto the new bike (with the Campy Chorus 10 speed drivetrain) and see what happens. Hopefully I'll survive the event..... Just wanted to be able to swap the wheels real quick and hassle-free if I ever needed to. Now I'm curious to see if it works. Thanks.
Sal, I have a conversion cassette if you need one....russw19
Aug 13, 2003 6:04 PM
If you need a conversion cassette for Shimano hubs to Campy 10 drivetrain, let me know, I have a few of them around that have never been used. If you need one, let me know.

And to everyone else, sorry for not using the classifieds for this... I am not actively selling this cassette, but if it helps someone out, I would part with it. Otherwise, it's a spare backup that is sitting in a closet. Hope no one (esp. Greg) is offended by this offer.

Russ
Sal, I have a conversion cassette if you need one....srajr
Aug 13, 2003 9:58 PM
Hi Russ

I just bought my first campy-equipped bike, and was thinking of trying this approach, because I have some nice shimano wheels. How well does it work ? Do you have the mavic, a-c, or wheels mfg version ?

Ray
Sal, I have a conversion cassette if you need one....russw19
Aug 14, 2003 7:50 AM
Ray, I have an American Classic 11-21... never used.. I paid wholesale for it cuz I work in a shop... I will sell it for that plus shipping. I also have another one on a set of wheels (American Classic 420's) that have a Shimano body, but I use Record 10 shifters and deraileurs. It works pretty well, but I wouldn't personally race on it. It has a tendency to want to mis-shift if I get out of the saddle to sprint. (It's rare, but it has happened to me..)It isn't a real problem for me because I have another set of wheels to race, and I don't even race anymore. I am sure I just haven't fine tuned it, but they are tricky to get right... so be forewarned.. but for $55 shipped, it's hard to beat. That's what I would sell it for, it cost me $50 and another 5 to ship. If you are interested in it, let me know.

I don't want it to sound like it doesn't work or it ghost-shifts, but I want to be 100% honest about how they do work. I have also used the wheels dura-ace cassette and it works much better, but it's over $130 more at wholesale...

Russ
Sal, I have a conversion cassette if you need one....BigFatSal
Aug 14, 2003 9:50 AM
Russ,

Thanks, I might just take you up on this. I should be receiving the new bike on Monday, then headed out to Cape Cod for a few days of vacation (and some nice rides on the new bike). If I decide to buy your conversion cassette as a sort of insurance item so I can use my other bike's wheel on the new bike then I'll contact you (probably in a week or so when I get back home). Thanks again!
Sal, I have a conversion cassette if you need one....russw19
Aug 15, 2003 12:32 PM
Sure thing... it's just sitting in a closet right now...

Russ